speeding behind safety car

[beelsebob]

It's not to do with teh fastest. I think it is based on a target time.

Yes – the point is, if you are not fastest, but still faster than your delta time; and someone else is faster, but slower than their delta time, their delta time must be faster than your delta time. Given that all the cars were bunched up behind the safety car at this point, why were the delta times different?

[andrew]

I can't remember exactly how it works, but Karun Chandhok explained it pretty well. Unfortunately I didn't record the race so I can't make a note of what he said.

[astracrazy]

i though that all drivers would have the same delta time and they can't go faster - simple as

[andrew]

If the field is still strung out someone could easily be going at race speeds until they catch up with the safety car. As soon as the safety car is deployed everyone is meant to slow down, but they can still go slightly faster than they would behind the safety car until they catch up.

[beelsebob]

If the field is still strung out someone could easily be going at race speeds until they catch up with the safety car. As soon as the safety car is deployed everyone is meant to slow down, but they can still go slightly faster than they would behind the safety car until they catch up.

Yep, but this wasn't the situation here – the entire field had started under SC, and was bunched up. I don't understand why anyone would get a faster or slower delta in this scenario. I think I'm going to send an open letter to various media outlets and the FIA asking why this happens.

[747heavy]

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For Button, winning a race that had also seen the McLaren driver make significant contact with his team-mate Lewis Hamilton and serve a drive-through penalty for speeding under the race’s second Safety Car marked an amazing day.
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[beelsebob]

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For Button, winning a race that had also seen the McLaren driver make significant contact with his team-mate Lewis Hamilton and serve a drive-through penalty for speeding under the race’s second Safety Car marked an amazing day.
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Ah, well that would explain it – will look through the timings for that later today.

[lebesset]

perhaps my memory is in error , but I seem to remember the notice about speeding behind the safety car being for button and hamilton...and hamilton wasn't there for the second safety car

[megz]

it could be that it's calculated sector by sector rather than just the final lap time?

[beelsebob]

perhaps my memory is in error , but I seem to remember the notice about speeding behind the safety car being for button and hamilton...and hamilton wasn't there for the second safety car

Yes he was.

SC 1 was at the race start.
SC 2 was when the race was stopped for very heavy rain and started again.
SC 3 was for clearing up Hamilton.
SC 4 was for clearing up Alonso.
SC 5 was for clearing up Heidfeld.

[astracrazy]

i think you got 2 and 3 the wrong way round

but why was hamilton mentioned for it then?

[beelsebob]

i think you got 2 and 3 the wrong way round

but why was hamilton mentioned for it then?

Hah, you're right... and yeh, that seems pretty suspect, doesn't it.

[astracrazy]

perhaps it was actually a mistake, which was why it was never mentioned again.

i can't imagine they would just let that drop

[Ciro Pabón]

i think you got 2 and 3 the wrong way round

but why was hamilton mentioned for it then?

Hah, you're right... and yeh, that seems pretty suspect, doesn't it.

Sure. You should notify McLaren. They probably haven't suspected a thing, that explains the absence of protest in view of the clear and suspicious conspiracy.

Astracrazy, puhleeze. You know, those guys at a team are too busy to check the rules when they get a penalty. Perhaps their own telemetry was erased. The invisible hand of Anonymous, maybe?

That's why there are so few protests by McLaren in the last few years: their race data is being hacked surreptitiously! This is the only logical, rational and coherent answer.

Besides, I want to highlight the fact that MacLaren lawyers are out of form.

One word: complacency (of the legal team at Macca).

This people has no experience. They hardly have had a year with a protest, a penalty, a heavy renegotiation of driver contracts or a conspiracy going on, like in other teams.

After all it is not like if the McLaren team and their lawyers had gone through troubles because of their own conspiracies.

Let me state this hard and clear, in a loud voice: it is hard to see a team, with an untarnished record, being brought down because of the evil intentions of those unnamed and hidden conspirators.

The nerve they have!

They are worse than cockroaches. At least cockroaches don't accuse people without having any justification at all, specially people like the shining star of honesty that the McLaren team is. On the other hand, accusing marshals (and soccer referees) is a constitutional right.

Those conspirators, those rats who play with the honour of persons in public forums should be sent to F1 Hell (that is, a party with Mosley).

You know the old and well known phrase: "Once a conspirator, always a conspirator".

My heart truly aches at the sight of such innocence being... well, raped is perhaps a too strong word.

Let's hurry, let's make the team aware, while there is still time!

Justice will triumph if they take this to the Sporting Council, where McLaren history is well known and Hamilton is held as an example of self control and coolness.

Frankly, I cannot believe this. I repeat it: the nerve they have!

[Caito]

The rules talk about safety car line. Is it the same line from which times are being taken?