2012 Testing - Barcelona 2: 1 - 4 March

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Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:28 pm

Yeah, The Benz in the back of the Mclaren :)
NathanOlder
 
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Location: Kent

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:28 pm

Crucial_Xtreme wrote:More Flo-vis

What's interesting here is the lack of nice clear flows. When we saw the McLaren flow vis at the very end of the first test there were dark streaks of flow vis in a couple of locations running along the nose – one flowing neatly over the top of the radiators, one flowing neatly into the centre of the radiator, and one flowing down beneath around the side of the body work.

Different design philosophy or the cause of Ferrari's problems?
beelsebob
 
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Location: Cupertino, California

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:33 pm

NathanOlder wrote:I think id say 5 groups like this.

1. Red Bull, Mclaren.

2. Mercedes, Lotus.

3. Ferrari, Sauber, Force India.

4. Toro Rosso, Williams, Caterham.

5. HRT, Marussia.

But by the time we hit Europe, Ferrari will be in group 2.


+1
"I was blessed with the ability to understand how cars move," he explains. "You know how in 'The Matrix,' he can see the matrix? When I'm driving, I see the lines."
n smikle
 
Joined: 12 Jun 2008

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:33 pm

Not a lot of running for Mercedes.
Schurcedes
 
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Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:42 pm

Keep writing Ferrari off. It will only make it more satisfying for me
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
Pierce89
 
Joined: 21 Oct 2009

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Pierce89 wrote:Keep writing Ferrari off. It will only make it more satisfying for me

No one's writing them off – only stating what they see as the apparent order after testing. The apparent order can be far from the existing order.
beelsebob
 
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Location: Cupertino, California

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:45 pm

For me:

1-RB

2-Mclaren

3-Mercedes - Ferrari - Lotus
4-Force india
5-Sauber
6-Williams - Toro Rosso - Caterham


7-HRT - Marussia
Afterburner
 
Joined: 23 Feb 2009

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:48 pm

I think I've found Ferrari's secret revolutionary device – it's a time dialator:

Image

They managed to fit a 17 minute lap into 1 minute!
beelsebob
 
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: Cupertino, California

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:55 pm

For me:

1- RBR
Small Gap
2- MCL
Small Gap
3-Merc, Ferrari
4- Lotus
... the rest.
thevlack
 
Joined: 19 Feb 2011

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:55 pm

Pierce89 wrote:Keep writing Ferrari off. It will only make it more satisfying for me


Exactly.
Chuckjr
 
Joined: 24 Feb 2012

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:16 pm

Chuckjr wrote:
Pierce89 wrote:Keep writing Ferrari off. It will only make it more satisfying for me


Exactly.


cry me a river, Ferrari killed the manual on their street cars so let them burn in hell 8)

...half an hour to go and Vettel still in the garage.... mmm
"Double points is Tyranny!"
FrukostScones
 
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Location: Bonnie's Ranch

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:21 pm

beelsebob wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:More Flo-vis

What's interesting here is the lack of nice clear flows. When we saw the McLaren flow vis at the very end of the first test there were dark streaks of flow vis in a couple of locations running along the nose – one flowing neatly over the top of the radiators, one flowing neatly into the centre of the radiator, and one flowing down beneath around the side of the body work.

Different design philosophy or the cause of Ferrari's problems?


there are obvious clean flow lines all down the nose and over andaround the sidepod entrance and down towards the under cut.
Without clean flow through here they'd literally be multiple seconds off the pace
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher
Pierce89
 
Joined: 21 Oct 2009

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:31 pm

15 laps for the red bull, 115 in the Mclaren. can only be good for the woking boys
NathanOlder
 
Joined: 2 Mar 2012
Location: Kent

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Vettel Owns up to going off and damaging the new front wing. Wheres Webbers front wing when you need it :-)
NathanOlder
 
Joined: 2 Mar 2012
Location: Kent

Post Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:39 pm

Just looking at the weeks times, and i Know Red Bull & Mclaren havent really gone for qualifying times, BUT

Last years pole was a 1.20.9xx And no one has got within a second of that. So it looks like the cars will be going something similar to last year if Red Bull showed their true pace ?

However, Caterham had a great qualifying session in Barcelona last year, Heikki grabbing 15th with 1.25.4xx. Yet weve seen the caterham do a 1.22.7xx today!!!

Caterham improving bit time ?? or are the other 9 teams really sandbagging that much ?
NathanOlder
 
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Location: Kent

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