What differentiates the Red Bull car from the rest?

[CHT]

I think Red Bull are like Apple. They are the most creative and haves culture. The other teams are like Microsoft, copying.

But this year they are copying other teams exhaust layout. They were not the first with the double deck diffuser or the F-duct. Hardy the masters of creativity.

Brian

APPLE doesnt produce all the parts themselves either. They are mostly made at Foxconn in China.

for me redbull is just redbull, nothing like apple or microsoft etc.

[richard_leeds]

what separates the Red Bull car from the rest of the grid?

Red Bull car is the only car designed using paper, pencil and drawing table. All other cars are designed on computers.

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I cannot begin to xplain how happy this image makes me, not making any other comparisons whatsoever, this is xactly the way I work before handing over the layout to my CAD-operators for detailing and documentation work.

To many people, CAD-literacy is greatly misunderstood, it's just a tool, nothing more or less, the design is done in your head and to people like Adrian Newey and John Barnard, this is better conveyed to image by pencil and fingertip-feel.

Pshaw. You use a drafting machine? I use a parallel bar and triangles, like a real man. And pencils you have to sharpen. I bet you use a freakin' mechanical pencil, don't you? Well, lah di dah, look atchoo with your fancy pencil there. Fingertip feel.

[xpensive]

What do you want with drawings at McDonald's Pup?

[Pup]

Oh, there's a craft behind those burgers.

[richard_leeds]

Most designs in my firm are also start off with freehand design development. At that stage you are dealing with conceptual arrangements and the ideas flow more freely by hand. Of course one day of conceptual play then lead into months of analytical and geometric computer modelling & application of evolutionary algorithms for optimisation.

There's a traditional saying "Doing analysis is not doing design - analysis verifies your design"

[manchild]

Remember 2008 when they invented the shark fin

It was actually me who presented idea of engine cover fin connected to rear wing on February 7 2008.
RBR have done so with unconnected later in 2008, and for next season in 2009 they've connected it. That's one year span.

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BTW, when it matters blown rear wing, I've presented that idea in passive version on June 13, 2006.
Mclaren connected shark fin with the rear wing in order to blow it in 2010. That's 3.5 years span.

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I won't be mentioning Ferrari nose from April 2008. which I've presented in August 2007.

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Ups, I just did it.

[munudeges]

I cannot begin to xplain how happy this image makes me, not making any other comparisons whatsoever, this is xactly the way I work before handing over the layout to my CAD-operators for detailing and documentation work.

There's no other way to work. Surrounded by computers all the time but the only way I can fully understand something is to sketch it into a notepad, write some notes and muck about with a wipe-clean writeboard.

I've been in one or two places that shall remain nameless, but needless to say they were Formula 1 teams and I never ceased to be baffled as to how they went about designing their cars, basically throwing as much stuff as they could think of into CFD systems and picking what seemed to work best i.e. created the most downforce. Needless to say, these teams are not doing all that well.

[Pup]

You should try a Wacom Cintiq. I got one several years ago and it changed the way I work. I'll usually start with some blocked out parameters in cad, then take it to photoshop to sketch different ideas over, using layers to refine an idea or interchange bits and pieces of several, and then take it back to cad and essentially draft over it. Iterate as necessary. Doesn't have quite the feel of pen and paper, but it's a close substitute.

[xpensive]

A3 size millimeter paper, a ruler, circle template, H2 hardness pencil and a sharpener.

Haven't owned an eraser since I was 16 though.

[Pup]

Yeah, well I've got french curves and I know how to use them.

You don't need an eraser if you don't make mistakes.

[markc]

no just use tip-ex instead!

[Robbobnob]

use tipex / twink / correction fluid on a drawing and see what your boss says

[munudeges]

Tried all sorts of tablets and as a lightweight substitute for a laptop I like them. However, nothing has been able to replace the flexibility of making marks with pens or pencils for those all important initial ideas.

[xpensive]

Tried all sorts of tablets and as a lightweight substitute for a laptop I like them. However, nothing has been able to replace the flexibility of making marks with pens or pencils for those all important initial ideas.

Indeed, John Barnard made a great impression on me in an Autosprt interview in 1995, where he xplained the same thing,
but I would be surprised to learn that Newey was the only Technical Director in F1 today working in a similar fashion?

I have a new assignment on the table designing ship's transmissions in Norway where this practice has been one of the discussion points, they were rather surprised by my approach but the MD is an F1 fan, why that reference to Newey came in handy.

Haven't owned an eraser since I was 16 though.

However, the above is not entirely true...

[Boost]

A3 size millimeter paper, a ruler, circle template, H2 hardness pencil and a sharpener.

Haven't owned an eraser since I was 16 though.

What help does the monarch give when you are designing something?