Alguersuari and Buemi were better than their replacements?

[Nando]

Ricciardo is definitely starting to look the business.

Not something he has in black & white yet though.


Darkest line is Vergne.










Where am i supposed to be impressed with Ricciardo? Perhaps in Qualifying but you don´t get any points there.

Apart from Australia and Canada he´s been beaten by Vergne who pretty much always starts behind him.
I would love to see an explanation for that.

[krisfx]

Vergne shows how dominant the RB6 was...

In the young driver test he stood out so much driving that.

In the STR he's not very good. Some time in GP2 maybe?

[Nando]

Vergne shows how dominant the RB6 was...

In the young driver test he stood out so much driving that.

In the STR he's not very good. Some time in GP2 maybe?

If you look at the stats i posted you will see that he has done a MUCH better job then Ricciardo in the races.

[krisfx]

Vergne shows how dominant the RB6 was...

In the young driver test he stood out so much driving that.

In the STR he's not very good. Some time in GP2 maybe?

If you look at the stats i posted you will see that he has done a MUCH better job then Ricciardo in the races.

Yeah I don't rate Ricciardo either. I saw him in Formula Renault and he was being dominated, to me if you're a good F1 driver you don't get gapped in third at Formula Renault..


That's my opinion, though.

[n smikle]

Vergne shows how dominant the RB6 was...

In the young driver test he stood out so much driving that.

In the STR he's not very good. Some time in GP2 maybe?

This!!!

[jdlive]

I think Red Bull will be going for Grosjean as Webber's replacement.

[Websta]

That would be very embarrassing considering the amount of money they have invested in STR and their young driver program to develop drivers for their top team - Vettel's success alone isn't really enough to justify the whole program. They'll be signing Webber for next season and hoping that the STR drivers improve their consistency over the next season and a half.

[krisfx]

That would be very embarrassing considering the amount of money they have invested in STR and their young driver program to develop drivers for their top team - Vettel's success alone isn't really enough to justify the whole program. They'll be signing Webber for next season and hoping that the STR drivers improve their consistency over the next season and a half.

Personally don't think the next Red Bull driver will come from STR. Since 2010 they have been their own team, so their car has gone downhill and therefore means drivers are having a difficult time getting results and proving themselves. Last year was a great example...

[Petroltorque]

The situation at STR illustrates the folly of Red Bull's driver development policy. The STR car is probably on par with the Force India

I repeat my earlier statement...

the STR at the moment is lucky if it's faster than the Caterham, let alone the FI.

You seem to have misunderstood my statement; the STR chassis is on par performance wise with the FI chassis. The discrepancy is down to the inexperience on the STR drivers. To exploit any chassis advantage STR really required an experienced driver to partner one rookie.

[beelsebob]

The situation at STR illustrates the folly of Red Bull's driver development policy. The STR car is probably on par with the Force India

I repeat my earlier statement...

the STR at the moment is lucky if it's faster than the Caterham, let alone the FI.

You seem to have misunderstood my statement; the STR chassis is on par performance wise with the FI chassis. The discrepancy is down to the inexperience on the STR drivers. To exploit any chassis advantage STR really required an experienced driver to partner one rookie.

No, I understood quite well. The STR car is almost as bad as the caterham car, and the inexperienced STR drivers are making very little difference to how bad it appears. Remember – Petrov in the Caterham is one of the worst drivers on the grid, but he still manages to get near them.

[Byronrhys]

Marko's approach is so obviously flawed that I believe they know something that we don't, you should pair a young driver with a driver with a few season experience... such as Buemi or Alguersauri not drop two rooks inside no-mans land, but I guess when you have Red bull money flowing in you don't have to care about the constructors championship.

P.s Vettel is More BMW raised in F1 than Red bull raised.

[Red Schneider]

Marko's approach is so obviously flawed that I believe they know something that we don't, you should pair a young driver with a driver with a few season experience... such as Buemi or Alguersauri not drop two rooks inside no-mans land, but I guess when you have Red bull money flowing in you don't have to care about the constructors championship.

Why is Marko's approach so flawed? I'm not a fan of his but clearly the aim of Toro Rosso is to find a World Champion. Any driver short of that is a waste of space. It would be inefficient to pair a rookie with a more experienced driver, because then you can only evalute one talent at a time. Great drivers don't depend on their teammates.

If neither Buemi nor Algesuari were appraised highly enough, then it was the right decision to can them and bring in Ricciardo and Vergne - even if the latter two are worse. The point is to keep sifting. Merely 'good' drivers should be removed to continue the search for a great one.

[mx_tifoso]

Why is Marko's approach so flawed? I'm not a fan of his but clearly the aim of Toro Rosso is to find a World Champion. Any driver short of that is a waste of space...

If that is the only target yes, but in the process of searching for that champion the team is in shambles and is losing footing. They need to get out of RBR's umbrella asap.

[Red Schneider]

You must only be referring to driver selection because I think the teams have been technically separate since 2010 or so. Anyway I would still argue that the team's performance comes second to finding that special driver. I just looked up Toro Rosso's last three Constructors' placements, and they were 10, 9, 8. They're currently 9th this year. Not exactly high stakes compared to the potential payoff they're looking for.

Everything other than the drivers is a separate issue, but when it comes to the drivers I don't see much to criticize with the current approach.

[krisfx]

Does anyone agree that driver stability would help development somewhat?

I don't understand how you can bring two guys in from lower formulae, who've driven on a sim and in identical cars, and expect them to help develop an F1 car, surely a guy who's been there a few years will have an element of continuity and the ability to push development toward better drivability and results?

OR is that wrong?