Driver performance science

[turbof1]

As a licensed hypnotherapist and NLP Master Practitioner - trance is not as exotic a state as some people think it is

I think it depends on your training. For instance for a plumber applied physics might be exotic, so for somebody who doesn't have proper knowledge and experience with hypnosis and trance it's difficult to induce it. With the help from somebody like you it obviously is a more passable border.

I do apologise. What I meant was that some people romanticise hypnotic trance to be something that is so profound and mystical... whereas it really takes very little specialised knowledge to be able to induce trance.

People saying that often have never experienced it. I personally can't do it at will, but I also never bothered with it. It's helpful, but not that helpful.

[flynfrog]

As a licensed hypnotherapist and NLP Master Practitioner - trance is not as exotic a state as some people think it is

I think it depends on your training. For instance for a plumber applied physics might be exotic, so for somebody who doesn't have proper knowledge and experience with hypnosis and trance it's difficult to induce it. With the help from somebody like you it obviously is a more passable border.

I do apologise. What I meant was that some people romanticise hypnotic trance to be something that is so profound and mystical... whereas it really takes very little specialised knowledge to be able to induce trance.

Like a synergy team building meeting?

In all seriousness I would love to know more. What causes it, triggers, ect?

[raymondu999]

turbof1 - self induced trance is not very easy actually. If you want to self-induce trance, you have to consciously try to bypass your conscious mind. Which is doing the bypassing. So, err... it's like this self-defeating loop.

flynfrog - Synergy teambuilding meeting? Eh?

There are many different ideas on trance. Some advise to occupy the conscious mind, some use an interrupt, etc. I study the Milton Erickson model, as well as a bit of pattern interrupt inductions. In Miltonian hypnosis basically you use a set of hypnotic language patterns and slowly relax the conscious mind to the point that the unconscious is the one that is still awake. Interrupts are a bit more interesting, and in the wrong hands a bit more dangerous. Say you walked down a street and a guy out of the blue asked you for the time. There's a split second or two where you're just staring blankly and going, "err..." in your mind. This, as it were, is when your conscious is "switching programs" from "walking down the street" to "process stranger's statement" - and during that brief moment, your unconscious is most vulnerable to trance induction. Providing the guy knows what he's doing, of course.

Anyways I think that's a topic for a different thread. Feel free to PM me if you would like to talk more on this.

[idfx]

I added two terms: Immersion (Game design) and Mushin (martial art).
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 8&start=90

[johnsonwax]

turbof1 - self induced trance is not very easy actually. If you want to self-induce trance, you have to consciously try to bypass your conscious mind. Which is doing the bypassing. So, err... it's like this self-defeating loop.

That's why I described it more as yielding to the subconscious. Mentally I need to be able to convince myself that I know how to do this well enough and that it's safe enough to 'let go'. It's the 'safe enough' part that's the hardest. So, videogames are the easiest, because there's no risk. Worst case I lose. Big deal. Tests are harder, because there is a risk there, and almost pointlessly, the courses I could do that in were the ones I was already doing very well in, so there was no real benefit (or risk). Driving? I'm not sure I could do that with driving unless I was alone with nobody else around so I knew the only risk was to myself. So perhaps in a racing situation after years of practice and experience on that circuit so my muscle memory was there. Maybe.

and during that brief moment, your unconscious is most vulnerable to trance induction.

Huh. I've never been hypnotized (that I know of ) but I would never have considered that. I get stuck on that mode quite a lot, and for quite some time. Switching contexts is often very hard for me and it's not unusual for me to run into people I know pretty well and straight up not know who they are for a good 15 seconds. I might be a particularly easy mark on that.

[raymondu999]

It's not quite "yielding to the subconscious" as that implies some sort of defeat - but rather relaxing or bypassing the conscious mind.

People in fact do hypnotise themselves a lot. Except we call it daydreaming - know how someone calls you on a daydream and you go, "I'm sorry were you talking to me?" But it's a lot harder to do ON PURPOSE.