Haas - American team in F1

[Moxie]

I must admit that when I suggested that mr haas's reasons for this project were less about expanding into F1 and more about publicity for him and his company I expected to be a voice crying in the wilderness
but , to my surprise , it seems that a majority of the subsequent posts show at least sympathy with my viewpoint

The guy is not stupid. Maybe he had some grand plan that we are all missing. At this point, however, your's is the best explanation for why Haas seems to be going about this F1 endeavor in such a half-assed way.

[countersteer]

I must admit that when I suggested that mr haas's reasons for this project were less about expanding into F1 and more about publicity for him and his company I expected to be a voice crying in the wilderness
but , to my surprise , it seems that a majority of the subsequent posts show at least sympathy with my viewpoint

Quite the contrary. If you'll go back and look, it's only been you and one another commenter pushing the "publicity stunt" agenda.

Meanwhile, we're not having any technical discussions.

Can anybody tell me what the testing rules are for new teams?

[xpensive]

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Meanwhile, we're not having any technical discussions.
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Perhaps because USF1 2.0 has not yet presented anything technical, in fact, they have not yet presented anything at all.

[FW17]

American racing impresario GENE HAAS explains why he’s serious about entering F1

GeneHaas1

Howdy race fans,

I’m Gene Haas, owner of the best Goddam NASCAR team in America. A short while ago I was exposed to a dangerous gas leakage at my racoon rendering facility and this gave me one hell of an idea. I, Gene Haas, would enter Formula 1.

I said to myself, Gene, ain’t nothin’ those lousy Socialist bastards in Europe can teach the inventor of the cheese carburetor. You get yo’self over there and give those limp assed liberal sons of bitches a taste of the United States of Freedom. Then I passed out.

Laterwhiles, I made a call to a guy called L’il Bernie and he said, sure thing Gene. You can come and race in Formula 1, jus’ one question: You got money? I said, money? Hell son, I --- money. Sometimes literally. Doctors are still lookin’ into that.

Anywayses, L’il Bernie, he says Gene, if you got money, y’all set to race in the 2015 Formula 1 season. Hells yeah. We’s gonna come over to Yewropeland and show those Goddam latte drinkin’ bastards how we win races back here in the United States of It’s Hammer Time.

Folks might say, but Gene, you ain’t gotta V6 engine and hybrid system. Well no, cuz I’m not a communist and a homosexual. But what I do got is a V8 and a hacksaw. Thanks to the good people of Walmart and their everyday price savin’ offers, I also gotta a --- load of batteries.

Folks might alsotimes say, Gene, you ain’t gonna have no chassis in time and you gonna have to buy one from some limey-ass state health care lovin’ bastards in England or Italyland or someplace. Oh yeah? Well you ain’t seen what my cousin Willy-Sue can do with just a welder and --- ton of tubes, ‘specially if we keep him off the meth.

See, those pansy-ass Formula 1 bastards have been doin’ it wrong all these years and they gonna get a big, fat taste of triple fried justice from a team as Goddam American as apple pie, baseball and accidentally shootin’ yourself in the head. An’ trust me, cuz I tried all three.

See y’all next year. We’ll be the guys at the front holdin’ the big ass trophy. You better believe it, I’m gonna do this real good. Cuz, as my daddy always used to say, ‘Son, you really put the ass in Haas’.

[acosmichippo]

haha, because 'murica. that's hilarious.

[iotar__]

Repetitive and not really funny.
What's the big deal about nationality and attributed arrogance (from earlier)? Let's say they are - so is most of F1 - substantially more. It's not even close to arrogance of acting as advocates of pure racing and pretending to change their minds 5 s later about team orders (Merc). At least they're not producing marketing fairy-tales like Caterham used to do about catching mid-field immediately or competing with big teams.

Comparisons to USF1 are getting tiresome - it didn't fail, it never competed, they didn't have any money, Haas has. It's as if everyone's expecting Toyota kind of new team with 300 million budget but it's not going to happen. Goal for them is to do better than recent new teams - get close to midfield in 2 seasons, compete in 3.

Basing F1 team in USA, still weird (Montoya confirms). They explained buying existing team would cots too much (with debts and all) but I'd still say it's easier. If they were willing to sell Caterham or Marussia can't be that expensive(?).

[FW17]

Main idea of setting the team in USA is that it is cheaper.

The English press will put the the oxforshire are on such a pedestal that it is the only place for success. They will also bad mouth the US set up with there britshit humor at every occasion possible. BE will never be helpful, FIA lost in its role.

If well funded, managed with a level head and if they have the stomach for F1 politics they are sure to succeed

[Cold Fussion]

Main idea of setting the team in USA is that it is cheaper.

The English press will put the the oxforshire are on such a pedestal that it is the only place for success. They will also bad mouth the US set up with there britshit humor at every occasion possible. BE will never be helpful, FIA lost in its role.

If well funded, managed with a level head and if they have the stomach for F1 politics they are sure to succeed

The problem is that Gene has acted in a quite arrogant matter. Very few here would believe that you can't build an F1 team in the USA, but when you start throwing around "the most advanced nation on earth" arrogant BS, then people have a very hard time of taking them seriously. The stereotype of Americans outside of America is that they're arrogant, and Gene has done nothing to refute that stereotype thus far.

[MOWOG]

I think we should all calm down. Let's let Haas Formula do their talking on the track. As they say, "When the flag drops, the bullshit stops."

Personally, I don't think Haas will fare any better than Peter Winsor and his lot. Time will tell.

[FW17]

Are they more arrogant then the the brits? No

Are they the most advanced nation on earth? Yes

[Cold Fussion]

Are they more arrogant then the the brits? No

Are they the most advanced nation on earth? Yes

Whether they or not is irrelevant, to say so in a press conference is incredibly arrogant.

[FW17]

Whether they or not is irrelevant, to say so in a press conference is incredibly arrogant.

Totally fair statement to make to the sentiment:- "can an F1 car be built in the USA"

[Writinglife]

Its relatively simple to be "more advanced" when you have a population advantage over approximately 250,000,000 (250 million) people. Even if only half of those people pay tax, it's still double what the UK can put into the technology economy, twinned with the belief that EVERYONE deserves to go to University. However, in terms of racing technology, The UK has the reputation of being the most advanced, with most current F1 teams having some sort of link to the UK (and not just for cost & convenience).

Can an F1 car be built in America. Of course. Can one be built without British companies, not as likely. Can one be built without UK technological knowhow? Even less likely. The point of the matter though, is can a F1 team based in North America handle operating in a mainly European series. obviously, Races in America, Brazil and Australia etc will be cheaper for them, but the cost of transportation to events in Europe, the Middle East etc will be significantly more expensive than a team based in UK. Can Haas' F1 team absorb that cost and still be able to pump the kind of money into development and design of a top tier F1 car? Personally, I hope he can. I want to see another team on the track. Especially if Marussia, Caterham and Lotus are on the brink of leaving.

[Nowhereman]

I look at the the support structure around any team and make my decision on whether or not they will be successful.
Haas can pull from lots of government programs due to his success very easily.
The most advanced aircraft in the world designed and BUILT here, not in England.
Those firms would love to get some exposure in areas like this.
Just look at the Corvette.
Mass produced car that will humiliate most other high performance cars for less than half the price.
The USA has the infrastructure to win in F1, not just compete.
I believe the hardest part of this model will be to find an American driver who is as good or better than the others.
This however, is not a requirement and can be grown over time.
Don't focus on your interpretation of what Haas thinks as he knows better than us what he can do.
We now have one of the greatest race courses down in Texas that everyone likes.
If this country gets behind Haas and I believe it will, due to the new found exposure to F1, which is good for all, he will deliver a great product that will get lots of exposure and be competitive.

[Tommy Cookers]

Are they more arrogant then the the brits? No ......

for the last 40-50 years British government and other leadership has been relentlessly anti-British
we dutiful British citizens believe this is no accident, that they allow themselves to be 'incentivised' to take this position

maybe this position causes by reaction a resentment that some see as arrogance ?
maybe also US citizens sometimes have similar feelings ?

speaking of technical matters .....
there is a some history in motor sport of British stuff being presented as American
but a long industry history of US stuff being presented by implication as British (Bendix, Clevite, Maxaret etc)
that's commerce