Haas - American team in F1

[shelly]

I think it all depends on the money haas can bring to the chassis supplier. IIRC hrt stopped paying dallara very soon, maybe before the season start

[Moxie]

Article: Honda and Ford could power new F1 teams in 2015

Meanwhile the Haas Automation entry could utilise Ford branded Cosworth engines, the English firm has recently opened a new office in Detroit and developed its own power unit for the 2014 season, but refused to put it into production without a OEM partner.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news ... s-in-2015/

I really hope so. The historic cennection between FORD and Cosworth is legendary.

History of FORD + Cosworth (until sale) http://www.allf1.info/engines/ford.php

Cosworth interview form return into F1:

There had been some design work, simulation and analysis done by our engineering staff and there had been some discussions, some of which were fairly recent, about whether there wasn’t a team or teams plural that were willing to sponsor the development,” Reisiger explained.

“But given the scope of the work and budget that’s required, it wasn’t something Cosworth was prepared to undertake independently. If one of those discussions came to fruition, and they still take place, it’s still something we’d be interested in that we’d need to be in collaboration and partnership with an OEM or team or teams.”

So would that leave the door open to an F1 return down the road? In a word, yes.

“Absolutely we would (want to),” Reisiger said. “I think that we provide a very cost-effective solution for people to be on the grid. We have the ability to excel from a performance standpoint. Decisions take place fairly frequently; it’s a matter of whether or not it makes sense for teams, OEMs and/or Cosworth. We’d look forward to the right opportunity if we could find the right collaboration.”

Potential Cosworth programs could also appear in sports car racing and/or another form of motorsport down the road. Further information from our conversation with Reisiger today will follow in a separate post.

This is pure speculation, but there is a certain logic here that could be at play. Admittedly my speculation is especially suspect because I have no numbers to back this up.

Still, judging from the number of Ford Focuses, and Escorts on the roads in the US I have to believe that ford has owned a large chunk do the small car market. At least in the U.S., especially among buyers of " American" branded cars. Now that Ferrari owner Fiat has purchased Chrysler and the number do Fiat500s on the roads is becoming noticeable, Ford may be feeling some heat.

Now I'm nor suggesting that Ford really thinks it needs to compete in F1 to sell cars, but there may be some that want to take part in the KERS/TERS game lest they be left behind. Take into account that Mercedes, Renault, and soon Honda are currently racing KERS and TERS and Ford could have a big problem if these technologies end up on the street in significant numbers.

[Pup]

I have no desire for Haas to become a "USA" team.

So you would be opposed to this livery

http://dansanfy13.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/01.jpg

If it came to that, I'd prefer an old Air Corps livery, personally...

[marcush.]

I think it all depends on the money haas can bring to the chassis supplier. IIRC hrt stopped paying dallara very soon, maybe before the season start

Very telling to make excuses biased on payments due.The work öden was not up to the task ,simple as that.The Car was outdated a whole decade according to Willis if I remember correctly ...As Dallara was not really involved in Development of the Car it is highly unlikely they had enough insight to gain relevant Expertise.
as for the managing a Tracking of the project from Haas sied...Maybe having Steiner as the Head is an asset as he is native Italien tongue ..so at least Dallara People will understand .....but he cannot spend all his Time there as Overall technical leader ..I have doubts .

[captainmorgan]

I don't see why Ferrari would be a bad option for engine. Only 2014 engines are frozen. I don't see Ferrari sitting on their asses for the 2015 engine, and I'd bet everyone will have a split turbo and whatever else gets revealed this season.

[marcush.]

http://www.adess-ag.com/about-us.html

adess even mentions their prestudies for a 2014 car so at least they would not have started with zilch....HRT was sure comparable to Marrussia and Caterham performancewise..so it would have been a almost respectable base to begin with...

[Chuckjr]

I don't see why Ferrari would be a bad option for engine. Only 2014 engines are frozen. I don't see Ferrari sitting on their asses for the 2015 engine, and I'd bet everyone will have a split turbo and whatever else gets revealed this season.

Wait. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I've been under the understanding that the freeze regs stayed on after the year ended. Meaning, they CAN'T make major mods/changes (like splitting the turbo for instance) for 2015 as the engine development is mitigated by ever tightening regulation allowances as time passes--like what happened with the V8's.

[FW17]

Dallara HRT was not a F1 car but a upgraded GP2 car

If Haas goes to Dallara the project is not going to be from scratch but a extension of SF14 car. As Haas will own the IP for the car their future development will be from that which is a wrong starting point.

Haas should buy the TF110 IP from who ever owns it now re-engineer it to 2015 which will be a much better starting point than whatever Dallara has to offer.

[Petroltorque]

Dallara HRT was not a F1 car but a upgraded GP2 car

If Haas goes to Dallara the project is not going to be from scratch but a extension of SF14 car. As Haas will own the IP for the car their future development will be from that which is a wrong starting point.

Haas should buy the TF110 IP from who ever owns it now re-engineer it to 2015 which will be a much better starting point than whatever Dallara has to offer.

The TF110 project would NEVER work .It was designed to a slot diffusor regulation. It lacks the necessary internal aero to accommodate a V6 Turbo hybrid. In short it's a non starter. The project requires a de novo concept.

[Tim.Wright]

Haas should buy the TF110 IP from who ever owns it now re-engineer it to 2015 which will be a much better starting point than whatever Dallara has to offer.

The amount of fantasy surrounding this car never ceases to amaze me...

[aleks_ader]

How much is truth in rumors about sharing last years chasiss blueprints between teams in 2015?

As i m aware the FIA cosiderete the mor "open" rules about that?

In a further push to save costs there are also changes to the 2015 sporting regulations. As of next season a team will not have to design and manufacture its own suspension components and brake ducts to be considered a constructor. Sharing parts such as suspension components has been on the cost cutting agenda for some time and is favoured by many teams as it stops short of full-blown customer cars.
Read more at http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/sto ... HoLtyzw.99

So if rules stand as today is possible for Haas just to buy the blueprits and owned other teams intelectuall property in order to satisifed current rules.

Could Gene Haas get the access into so wanted Montezemolo idea in witch he want offer to others the last yers cars in service? Somehow like in MotoGP semi-manufaturer teams?

Could Ferrari at last gets it so wanted 100% "sister" team?

[Petroltorque]

A question is why would Haas want any of the Maranello blueprints. The cost to run a car of that complexity and risk being at the back would be prohibitive.
Best to go with a more affordable in house chassis and work up from there.
On a slightly off tagent note, I believe Holzer were responsible for the 2012 HRT car which was a greater embarrassment than anything Dallara offered.

[shelly]

The interesting thing is the deal about sharing suspensions components.
One of e biggest problems of the 2010 hrt was that they were not able to build composite wishbones.

[FW17]

The amount of fantasy surrounding this car never ceases to amaze me...

TF110 (may or may not have been a great car) is about 5 years old now but still the only decent IP available that can be bought. It would give a new team an understanding of the design philosophy that Toyota used for 10 years on the chassis, aero and chassis-aero interaction which otherwise will take years to develop. Even though teams are allowed to sell 2 year old IP to others, I am not sure if any would part with it as long as they are still racing in F1.


Williams and Mclaren are great teams however the screwed up with the chassis-aero interaction last year that they would probably not make the same mistake again, if a new team has such insight to begin with it will be money well spent.

[gray41]

You'd assume the livery would be something like this, black, red and white.