Oh that's easy, just give them back the free Rpm, real screamers at 20k+, oh mama...xcitement is back at last!Richard wrote:Which is why F1 fans snigger about pushrod dinosaurs, and F1 would be in danger of looking similarly unsophisticated if it pulled the old V8 from the waste bin.GitanesBlondes wrote:Here's the bigger point too Richard, NASCAR has never claimed to be a true cutting edge series, which is what F1 has been claiming to be for awhile.
Nailed it, F1 should seriously adopt the WEC style of energy limits only but with a few caveats to stop a massive spending war eg.Richard wrote:Which is why F1 fans snigger about pushrod dinosaurs, and F1 would be in danger of looking similarly unsophisticated if it pulled the old V8 from the waste bin.GitanesBlondes wrote:Here's the bigger point too Richard, NASCAR has never claimed to be a true cutting edge series, which is what F1 has been claiming to be for awhile.
Oh you mean the same F1 fans who can't watch a F1 race unless there are loads of overtakes no matter how unskilled the overtakes are?Richard wrote:Which is why F1 fans snigger about pushrod dinosaurs, and F1 would be in danger of looking similarly unsophisticated if it pulled the old V8 from the waste bin.GitanesBlondes wrote:Here's the bigger point too Richard, NASCAR has never claimed to be a true cutting edge series, which is what F1 has been claiming to be for awhile.
F1's brand is heavily dependent on glamour and an obsession with complexity and perceived sophistication. The ticked all the boxes with the new PU. Just the small matter of affordability for smallt eams was overlooked.
What are you talking about? I drive a pushrod 'dinosaur' car and I like it. NASCAR is NASCAR. Take it or leave it. You really think all the 'glamour' comes from turbo engines that sound like vacuum cleaners? The 'glamour' comes from the slurries and celebs that hang around the pits and the yachts in Monaco. No one outside of this forum cares about how 'sophisticated' the engines are. Average Joe wants speed, noise and action. Pretty much NASCAR.Richard wrote:Which is why F1 fans snigger about pushrod dinosaurs, and F1 would be in danger of looking similarly unsophisticated if it pulled the old V8 from the waste bin.GitanesBlondes wrote:Here's the bigger point too Richard, NASCAR has never claimed to be a true cutting edge series, which is what F1 has been claiming to be for awhile.
F1's brand is heavily dependent on glamour and an obsession with complexity and perceived sophistication. The ticked all the boxes with the new PU. Just the small matter of affordability for smallt eams was overlooked.
I know. But as i said after i'd imagine they would still keep the 100kg rule so they would need to make them more fuel efficient. If f1 takes the step back to the v8's, i cant see they would take a complete step back with the fuel efficiency as well.xpensive wrote:What on the earth for, these are supposed to be racing engines?astracrazy wrote:if we ever, and its unlikely, go back to the v8's i hardly doubt it will go back to what we had prior to 2014. F1 would try and keep some face. Every effort will be made to make it as fuel efficient as possible. We'd have the same max 100kg and the current ers system. All which will obviously cost to get the V8 to fit that profile. Again we could end up with 1 manufacturer doing it better and along come the arguments we have now.
If anything they were detuned from their 2006 selves, going from 20000+ rpm to 18000.GitanesBlondes wrote: The problem with the F1 V8's is they were never allowed to be developed for years, that's why they seem unsophisticated.
Imagine had they been allowed to be developed?
What a thought eh?
Truer words never spoken. =D>Vettel Maggot wrote: ...
What are you talking about? I drive a pushrod 'dinosaur' car and I like it. NASCAR is NASCAR. Take it or leave it. You really think all the 'glamour' comes from turbo engines that sound like vacuum cleaners? The 'glamour' comes from the slurries and celebs that hang around the pits and the yachts in Monaco. No one outside of this forum cares about how 'sophisticated' the engines are. Average Joe wants speed, noise and action. Pretty much NASCAR.
the engines were already efficient for what they were, but to make them more efficient means either reducing the rev limit, or reducing the capacity, both of which would reduce the power and the noiseHarsha wrote:I think V8 with 2006 rules and developing them from 22K Rpm limit and from that point making them fuel efficient will be so good see with current state of development.
In your opinion it fits that image.Richard wrote:The F1 brand was built on a perception of exotica such as carbon fibre and beryllium. A sense of crazy complexity created by obsessive geeks and mavericks simply because they can. The current PU perfectly fits that image.
V8s never revved to 22k.Harsha wrote:I think V8 with 2006 rules and developing them from 22K Rpm limit and from that point making them fuel efficient will be so good see with current state of development.
They probably can by current technology.Juzh wrote:V8s never revved to 22k.Harsha wrote:I think V8 with 2006 rules and developing them from 22K Rpm limit and from that point making them fuel efficient will be so good see with current state of development.