Problems with F1 and why it is loosing fans

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Manoah2u
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To be honest, Magny-Cours never appealed to me. It was boring then, it would be boring now.

That being said, i think one part of the problem is that people nowadays are way too 'spoiled'. You have so many options,
so many choices, so many 'exciting' activities and stuff to happen or going on, that there is less 'need' or 'desire' to view
or correlate to F1.

Kids nowadays drink so many energy drinks that their attention span are similar to that of a goldfish. They can't even find themselves to find out or know there are music artists that stretch back longer then 5 years ago. As shocking as it is that people think Kanye West provides opportunity for the beatles :lol: , as shocking as it is that people think Titanic was 'just a movie' and not an actual life event :?, this is the general public of today.

Now you can turn on the tele or internet and watch RedBull air races, spectacle events, Monster trucks, you can download a movie full of action, you can download and play action games, role playing games, shooters, adventure games, all under a click of the mouse button.

People are spoiled, and people are getting harder to entertain.

What's got F1 to bring? inunderstandable rules, they look odd, they're don't sound exciting, a lot of tv comments are brain-drilling boring and annoying [ i can only enjoy sky sports, i can't stand BBC anymore ], they are in places you've never heard of, the races tend to be boring and last too long if you take into account the general public of today, and the drivers aren't able to be concidered the 'heroes' like they were before; F1 is - freak accidents aside - virtually without real danger, and indeed, a while ago, cars were something technically appealing and exciting, and fast cars were rare and dangerous to drive.
Today, almost any general car is able to hit 200+ kph and accelarate quite well, they corner well and are loaded with safety measurements; TC, ABS, ESP, Airbags, etc etc etc. So cars aren't concidered as exiting as they were before.
Back in the 70's, Ferrari's, Lambos, Porsches were almost 'widowmakers'. Today, the only thing that is abnormal to them is the fact they tend to catch on fire.

So what's so special about a 'racing car driver' ? That's the thought pattern of today, and that's the problem F1 faces.
Bernie realises he doesnt know how to 'fix' this issue so he 'hides' behind the fact that F1 today is not aimed at this public,
and he is, in a sense, even right.

At some point, the current fans either lose attention because they start thinking it's boring, too, or because they just don't wake up one day anymore because they reached terminal aging.

Worldcup football still has a sense of Nationalistic pride, which results in grabbing attention. And you can play FIFA from your lazy chair enjoying it with friends having lots of fun. F1 racing games are, well, seriously uninteresting, from an entertainment point of view. Sure, you can set it to 'arcade' but even then, it's not as fun as playing a game of soccer.
Trying to play professional F1 games is difficult and agrevating. It's boring. And F1 games of today are qualitatively seriously lacking. It's very underwhelming.

I remember getting excited on the F1 games returning officially to the 'branche'. Then i found out it was codemasters who was going to make it and boredome came and interest faded immediately. I remember codemaster games as brain-drillingly annoying and boring. It looks acceptable for today's standards, but that's about it.

I still feel there has not been better and more exciting F1 racing 'sims' like Geoff Crammonds Grand Prix (1 &) 2.

The world around F1 simply has changed, and F1 as a sport did not change accordingly. All that's changed was that Bernie commercialised F1 into the modern century, but the sport itself did not 'grow' accordingly. It's rediculous how bad F1's connection to the internet is. F1 on internet are purely fan-driven websites like this - a great website though - but there is no line between F1 and fans/reality.
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-it's too expensive for the fans.
-there's too much politics, yet it it's supposed to be just motor racing.
-cars look too simple.
-cars sound boring
-cars look slow in the onboard camera because of no longer using a fisheye lens. (i think this is important, because they need to atleast look very very fast)
-less action during pitstops. they may be too quick for the "spectacle" effect.
-racing is rather artificial with drs and tyre rules.
-too many acronyms like, ers, drs, mgu, icu, ect. for the average racing fan.
-drivers are like robots = they lack persona because they have to please the sponsors and act "correct" for the media. drivers rarely say what they actually want to say.
-rules are too tight for develpment.
-engines don't blow up anymore. cars are often stopped to AVOID mechanical failure, in order to avoid penalties.

possible secondary causes:
-some names may have been influencing the series' direction for too long, such as bernie, lauda, todt and possibly even whiting.
-officials, such as charlie whiting, maybe inclined not to halt the races during too heavy rain (such as japan), because of the possiblity of having to wait for the weather to clear for too long. (i.e the race could end up being shortened or cancelled, which the broadcasters or whoever don't like.) races shouldn't be shortened just because of waiting for a propper weather to race. red flag shouldn't take time away from the actual race. cars shouldn't "race" behind a safety car either.

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i have dyslexia and english is not my native language. please be gentle.

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Formula 1 does a lousy job transporting the magic to the masses .Back in those monster days I remember spending hours waiting on the famous Hardtbach Damm watching Renault ,Ferrari ,Honda and BMW powered missiles blasting by at 330 oor more KPH..It still sends shivers over my neck and I still get goosebumps by the thought of it.No question here the driver made a big difference -the size of the balls that is....
The fascination was carried -at least for me - by Formula2 and Sportscars with total access for the anoraks and a 15year old gearhead who got very near the machinery and could even land some small gofer jobs ..

Look towards WEC and you know the business ...It´s been quite a while since i felt that urge to go to leMans and take in the atmosphere and experience how things develop through the night....
F1 is plain boring compared to this.

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I don't really understand why someone would go out of their way to join a specific F1 technical forum so they could rant about how rubbish F1 is and how great sidecar racing is. Its like some sort of weird spam to advertise Road Racing. Wouldn't it be easier to go on a Sidecar forum and just talk about that if you prefer it?

I used to love watching rallying but these days I have no interest in any of it because it bores me. I don't go on Rallying forums ranting about how its rubbish though, I just enjoy the stuff I like and don't bother about the stuff I don't.
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So basically you're a yes man.
Get a faulty profuct, dont bother calling them, just dont buy more stuff from them.

While the average person would complain and make sh*t happen instead.
Its not like his ideas are completely insane as many of us feel the same thing, the sport has gotten sanitised over the years, people voice their opinions and if F1 listen they will make changes. (which is exactly what is being discussed in f1 right now)
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SectorOne wrote:So basically you're a yes man.
Get a faulty profuct, dont bother calling them, just dont buy more stuff from them.
That makes no sense and is completely different. If I've paid for something and its not right then I complain like f*ck, if something is not right and its adversely affecting my life then I complain like f*ck. I've just managed to get major car company to give a grovelling apology and load of reimbursement after they couldn't complete an MOT and Service one of there cars in less than 5 visits to the dealer. That was worth getting riled up over because it was making my life measurably worse.

What I don't do is waste my time getting riled up about things that A) I haven't paid for, B) Aren't negatively affecting me and C) I cant change by getting riled up.

As said I used to like Rallying, now I don't, but I haven't paid for it and it doesn't affect my life to not watch it. There is plenty of other stuff to enjoy so I just spend my time on those.

Perhaps I just have a fulfilling enough life with the things I enjoy (Family, Friends, Work, Race Team and Hobbies) to not spend my time rating and raving about stuff that doesn't matter.
"A pretentious quote taken out of context to make me look deep" - Some old racing driver

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Why come on and attempt to insult someone in a. General chat thread. Bit sad. If you've nothing to add go and amuse your family and friends with your charm. I'm bringing some perspective from outside F1. The only perspective you have is a key board. Calm yourself down.

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F1Sidecar wrote:Have you ever been to a road race? You stand in the hedge or on the bank so close to the bikes that the stones will hit you in the face! you've to cover your eyes!! The lads that race are true, legitimate hero's. Its real. There are no second chances. It is so exciting that people who have no interest in motor sport at all go to see it and are left in awe at what they have seen. They then go and tell anyone who will listen about what they saw. Men and woman going down roads at 190mph inches from their face with lampposts and kerbs. Its completely and totally insane. Humans, aren't we great?
Sadly, I think this paragraph, well basically the entire post of yours, highlights nicely what is going wrong in this world now days: Sensationalism. Just open any newspaper, especially online, and see it yourself. Just about every thing we read, news, movies, magazines is over-hyped and is feeding us more violent images to the point that we as humans need it to even feel intrigued.

Now, I'm not criticizing you for writing it. You are absolutely right with what you are writing. Sadly. But at the end of it, I still think it's fundamentally wrong and that F1 can't and shouldn't pursuit such a path. What may work for TT, works to a degree, because I think it's rather localized to this specific event. I don't think F1 needs to become more violent.

I think one of the biggest issues with F1 is the mentality or line of thought that it needs to become "bigger". It doesn't. Or better, this only holds true because the money is unevenly distributed and to make that up, everyone is thinking "bigger is better". It could work as a more niche sport, as it used to, but for that, everything needs to become a little cheaper. At the rate F1 is going, the bubble is just getting bigger and bigger until it will all come crashing down. It would be great for a start if attending the races would become cheaper. At this point, it's just too expensive to even go there for something that is rather "unspectacular". Having so many races abroad in desert states (which are probably half empty) doesn't help either, although I like watching some of these races on TV. Perhaps F1 has just grown a bit too big for its own good?
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Facts Only wrote:
SectorOne wrote:So basically you're a yes man.
Get a faulty profuct, dont bother calling them, just dont buy more stuff from them.
That makes no sense and is completely different. If I've paid for something and its not right then I complain like f*ck, if something is not right and its adversely affecting my life then I complain like f*ck. I've just managed to get major car company to give a grovelling apology and load of reimbursement after they couldn't complete an MOT and Service one of there cars in less than 5 visits to the dealer. That was worth getting riled up over because it was making my life measurably worse.

What I don't do is waste my time getting riled up about things that A) I haven't paid for, B) Aren't negatively affecting me and C) I cant change by getting riled up.

As said I used to like Rallying, now I don't, but I haven't paid for it and it doesn't affect my life to not watch it. There is plenty of other stuff to enjoy so I just spend my time on those.

Perhaps I just have a fulfilling enough life with the things I enjoy (Family, Friends, Work, Race Team and Hobbies) to not spend my time rating and raving about stuff that doesn't matter.
Its exactly the same thing, or do you think F1 is free?
Even BBC coverage is not free. F1 is a product and everyone that has bought it has a rght to voice their opinion about it without someone calling their posts rants.

You say it doesnt affect you and yet you put down time and energy to let everyone know your opinion about other peoples opinions that differ from yours.
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I think you've missed the whole point. Its obviously lost on you. Why not simply address the question as it was intended or just move on and ignore it. If you don't think F1 can be made more exciting or better then why even comment ? F1 can be made better, its people's views on the improvements this thread is for, not critique of the threads rights or wrongs. You've obviously never been to a road race, because it you had you would understand what I am talking about.

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Its seems there are two types of people on this thread. Those interested in a debate about the sport and our views on how it could be made better and those simply interested in critising me for even stating my views because they are different to their own.

If you do not think F1 can be made better or are here to be rude to me or others who have posted then please go away. This is actually quite a fundemantal issue and its good to get the views of fans. I've better things to do than respond to negative peope and so will not do so any further.

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@Facts Only

This was a nice polite conversation until you brought the hostility.

mrluke
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The problem with F1 and even this thread is that there is an established group of 50+ baby boomers who don't understand and don't want to understand the younger generation.

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Kids suck :lol:

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F1Sidecar wrote:I think you've missed the whole point. Its obviously lost on you. Why not simply address the question as it was intended or just move on and ignore it. If you don't think F1 can be made more exciting or better then why even comment ? F1 can be made better, its people's views on the improvements this thread is for, not critique of the threads rights or wrongs. You've obviously never been to a road race, because it you had you would understand what I am talking about.
The reason why you'd comment is because you believe that the biggest problem with F1 is everyone continuously whining about how awful it is, and trying to change things. Just leave it as it is, and let us have fun watching it.

Half the reason that fewer companies are willing to sponsor F1 teams now is because F1 itself does such a great job of reinforcing over and over and over "don't sponsor this, no one wants to watch it."