“Pastor [Maldonado], for example, saying ‘I haven’t made my decision yet where I’m going’. What other sports work like that? If you’re not performing, mate, on your bike, get out of here.
Firstly your downvote didn't come from me....I don't like any posts getting downvotes unless they are just trolls!acosmichippo wrote:for those not keeping track:
Pastor has 8 DNF's this year compared to Grosjean's 4. EIGHT out of 12 races.
Grosjean has 6 points finishes compared to Pastor's 2.
How much more evidence does everyone need? The guy just doesn't have enough control for F1. His Williams win was a fluke, and they should feel lucky he moved to Lotus. I don't even like Massa very much, but even he is lightyears ahead of Pastor.
Fair points, and now for your next trick, do you fancy justifying how Grosjean is 11-1 up in qualifying, despite giving about 7 FP1 sessions up to Jolyon Palmer?KeiKo403 wrote:Firstly your downvote didn't come from me....I don't like any posts getting downvotes unless they are just trolls!acosmichippo wrote:for those not keeping track:
Pastor has 8 DNF's this year compared to Grosjean's 4. EIGHT out of 12 races.
Grosjean has 6 points finishes compared to Pastor's 2.
How much more evidence does everyone need? The guy just doesn't have enough control for F1. His Williams win was a fluke, and they should feel lucky he moved to Lotus. I don't even like Massa very much, but even he is lightyears ahead of Pastor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no Pastor fan but those stats aren't really giving the full story are they?
Out of Pastor's 8 DNF's how many we're caused by car problems or problems outside of his control...i.e. crashes into him?
Take Monza for example, he had to take avoiding action and catapult across those speed humps at the start...i heard that broke his floor because of the impact.
Now like I said, I'm by no means a Pastor fan, there's nothing more I love to see than Grosjean dominate him (purely in an F1 way), however I think it's fair to say we all have a special place for that enstone team, which for many years now has been being saved by Pastor, what other driver on the grid can bring his budget?
Coming from someone that just "got there" because he had a Red Bull...Hail22 wrote:Mark Webber has come out swinging in regards to Pastor and pay drivers in general:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport ... 7520953033
I think he may be to my recollection the first person to directly call out Pastor as a "useless" commodity in Formula 1? I may be mistaken.
“Pastor [Maldonado], for example, saying ‘I haven’t made my decision yet where I’m going’. What other sports work like that? If you’re not performing, mate, on your bike, get out of here.
How many private organizations do you know that let us vote about their decision?Scuderia Nuvolari wrote:Do you think bernie will ever let us vote?
acosmichippo wrote:for those not keeping track:
Pastor has 8 DNF's this year compared to Grosjean's 4. EIGHT out of 12 races.
Grosjean has 6 points finishes compared to Pastor's 2.
How much more evidence does everyone need? The guy just doesn't have enough control for F1. His Williams win was a fluke, and they should feel lucky he moved to Lotus. I don't even like Massa very much, but even he is lightyears ahead of Pastor.
I don't think that anybody is naive enough to not acknowledge that the money comes straight from the national budget, through pdvsa. Maldonado also comes from an independently very wealthy family.Scuderia Nuvolari wrote:So you believe that the Venezuelan government (PDVSA)is sponsoring the lotus team? If this is what you believe then do you also believe that "all this money" was earned legally through the petroleum industry?
I believe in Santa Clause.
