Fix F1: Monoplane Front Wings

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What do you think needs to be fixed?

Poll ended at 16 May 2015, 13:40

Cost
18
19%
Engines
14
14%
Aero
20
21%
Bernie
42
43%
Nothing
3
3%
 
Total votes: 97

sgth0mas
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Joined: 18 Mar 2015, 03:42

Re: Fix F1: Monoplane Front Wings

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Accomplishing anything in F1 is hard because of the amount of power 3 or 4 teams have over the entire sport. And then you have Bernie hopping around doing his thing.

I still cannot believe it hasn't gone the route of CART/IRL yet. If a few rich dudes bought a bunch of 2.4 V8s and dallara chassis it would be exciting. Especially with a field day on aero changes allowed.

SectorOne, do you mean a literal fan car like the chapparal 2j? Those would vacuum all the marbles and throw rocks like crazy. Good in theory on a clean track, but the 2J also had lots of racing issues. Not to mention no down force if a fan dies. My father in law said he was at a very hot race with one of the fan cars and it actually started pulling asphalt. Modern tracks are probably much sturdier, but there are still major safety and reliability concerns.

CBeck113
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Joined: 17 Feb 2013, 19:43

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Jon wrote:All proposals have some merit.

However, before going radical, let's change the ONE thing that would be felt the most: BRAKES.

Yes, modern carbon brakes are so darn effective that braking distances are ridiculously small. The result is there's almost no time to outbreak anyone, even if you are glued to its diffuser for the whole lap.

Bring back steel brakes, and within a few laps you'll have cars with totally different stopping characteristics and distances. THEN, you will see cars behave differently in a more dramatic way and stopping distances increase/decrease according to how the drivers manage the brakes.

It also brings back the need for the drivers to manage something else with their driving.

You can go a step further and make them spec brakes... :twisted:
I said this a couple of years ago, which is why you got the +1 from me. The cars need something that can be stressed to give extra performance, but then need a recovery period (a mechanical boost button of sorts). This gives the drivers the chance to go past 100% without having to return to the pits and have something replaced (tires, like it is now). At the same time, the mechanical grip needs to be more relevant again, to make this change more relevant: bigger, stickier but long - holding tires, less aero and no diffusor.
And, to solve the engine / cost issue: create a third championship for the engine manufacturer (similar to the Indy Car Series), and limit the costs to the teams to €15mil per season. That way, there would be no limit on engines or parts, and the manufacturers would have to suck up the extra costs (might not be perfect, but the teams will be protected from excessive costs), while opening up the formula to all solutions, making the only limit a specific amount of fuel for the race (goes hand-in-hand with a few of the other proposals for refueling under atmospheric pressure, allowing but not forcing refueling, etc.). I would also go so far and include the complete drivetrain in the engine, insuring that the complete PU and storage is covered by the cost cap.
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CBeck113
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Joined: 17 Feb 2013, 19:43

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BTW, "All of the above" is missing from the choices :-D
“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!” Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Moose
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Joined: 03 Oct 2014, 19:41

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CBeck113 wrote:BTW, "All of the above" is missing from the choices :-D
You realise those are check boxes, not radio buttons - you literally can tick all of the above.

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Andres125sx
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Joined: 13 Aug 2013, 10:15
Location: Madrid, Spain

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Bernie got more votes than second and third options toghether.... what a surprise! :mrgreen:

Another option to provide more excitement would be banning any wheel adjustments. Get rid of the three diferential knobs, get rid of the brake bias, get rid of the different mappings.... This way cars will be a lot more dificult to drive, and drivers will play a bigger role. More mistakes, more instability (wich is better for the show than cars on rails), more overtakings due to the increased mistakes... more excitement!