Michelin to comeback in 2017 IF 18 inches rims

[rich1701]

I can't imagine a more inappropriate direction for formula 1 to adopt 18 rims. Formula 1 is supposed to be exotic, and the less like road cars they are, the better. There are many other series where 18 rims can be used for tyre development. Big tyres are now part of the identity of Formula 1 and have been for 40 years.

F1 on 18 rims just looks plain silly. The wheels look like a throw back to the 1950s




Further, the last thing F1 needs is another tyre war. Expense aside, Formula 1 consists of a drivers and constructors championship. There is no tyre championship. It matters because in the past, Tyre performance was such a significant variable in the outcome of races it deminished the influence of driver talent and constructor performance in my view. in the early 00s it didn't matter how good you was in the wet, it was all about the tyres you were on.

[Emmcee]

I can't imagine a more inappropriate direction for formula 1 to adopt 18 rims. Formula 1 is supposed to be exotic, and the less like road cars they are, the better. There are many other series where 18 rims can be used for tyre development. Big tyres are now part of the identity of Formula 1 and have been for 40 years.

F1 on 18 rims just looks plain silly. The wheels look like a throw back to the 1950s

http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2014/Lotus- ... son-02.jpg


Further, the last thing F1 needs is another tyre war. Expense aside, Formula 1 consists of a drivers and constructors championship. There is no tyre championship. It matters because in the past, Tyre performance was such a significant variable in the outcome of races it deminished the influence of driver talent and constructor performance in my view. in the early 00s it didn't matter how good you was in the wet, it was all about the tyres you were on.

I was like that but once I saw the picture iam fine with either.

[Thunder]

F1 on 13 rims just looks plain silly. The wheels look like a throw back to the 1950s

Fixed that for you.

Except i don't think either of the 2 Look silly, but 18's look way better and 21st Century'ish.

[Wayne DR]

They just need to adopt carbon fibre wheels and re-designed brake disks and callipers to get the weight down. The extra kgs of unsprung weight will be a suspension killer. Not to mention the increased component shock loading, due to the shorter sidewall...

[Thunder]

Teams Design new Suspensions every year anyways. Doesn't matter if they design it for 13, 16, 18 or 20 Inch. If the Guys over at the Audi, Porsche and Toyota LMP1 Teams can get it done i'm sure the F1 Teams can make a suitable Suspension.

[Emmcee]

Teams Design new Suspensions every year anyways. Doesn't matter if they design it for 13, 16, 18 or 20 Inch. If the Guys over at the Audi, Porsche and Toyota LMP1 Teams can get it done i'm sure the F1 Teams can make a suitable Suspension.

Yeah but the lmp cars are alot heavier so they need stronger suspension anyway. IMO it would be abit of a safety concern, they would need to allow teams more testing if this is implemented. Under current regs there would be alot of suspension failures, especially under load in fast sweeping corners and that could become a safety issue IMO.

[Thunder]

They have their Simulation Programms, the Teams know EXACTLY what Forces are working in their Suspensions. If they can't build a Suspension strong enough to hold their Car together they should rethink if they really want to be in F1. It's not exactly Rocket Science.

[ChrisF1]

Can anybody clarify why Brundle says that the view from the cockpit is worse with 18" wheels?

They're the same diameter surely?

[Emmcee]

Can anybody clarify why Brundle says that the view from the cockpit is worse with 18" wheels?

They're the same diameter surely?

You would think so, but maybe there not.

[Andres125sx]

Everyones well aware of your original post, no need to repost especially when ignoring bernies comments. The point is that bernie and the teams dont like the idea. And everyone is well aware of michelins goal as well.

Theres no point in arguing anything actually since this isnt verifiable until the bidding process is over with. There isnt even data on the strategy michelin suggested.

Actually it´s the other way around, it´s Bernie who is ignoring Michelin´s POV and he insist talking BS about Michelin building tires to be put in december and removed in june

And looks like many here listen to him with too much atention and keep repeating the same absurd argument about Michelin manufacturing too hard tires. They never said that, they actually said the contrary, it´s posible to manufacture better tires while keeping pit-stops for more strategic races


But Bernie feel the need to defend current filosofy/strategy with Pirelli tires so he attacks Michelin because of proposing better tires....

Lately we see lots of threads about how to improve F1, if V6 engines are good or not, how good/bad fuel saving is, how would you solve F1 problems...

No need to look further, THIS is one of main problems with current F1, tires that do not allow drivers to drive fast because they´re ruined.... F1 cars cornering slower than they could because tires can´t handle that for the whole stint so they need to drive significantly slower than they are able to, if anyone here think that is not a BIG problem for F1 I´ll need a good and detailed explanation


Now a new manufacturer says he could solve that and manufacture tires as they have always been (soft for pit-stops but strong enough to resist constant punishment while they last), and Bernie start (continue) saying BS, and people like you say that´s not verifiable.... like if tires would have always been like current pirellis or Michelin was proposing something weird...

The weird thing is current tires


Edit: sorry for the ranting, but I can´t cope with current tire strategy nor Bernie, they both are easily main two problems for F1, racing tires that do not allow racing, and a man in charge that cannot see how his product is plummeting

[Shrieker]

There's nothing wrong with the current rim size. And bigger rims on the Lotus car looked HORRIBLE.

[langwadt]

Can anybody clarify why Brundle says that the view from the cockpit is worse with 18" wheels?

They're the same diameter surely?

I believe they are slightly bigger, when the tried them on the Lotus the ride height was way off

[SectorOne]

Maybe meeting halfway, 15 inch could work. 18 just looks so wrong.

[sgth0mas]

They have their Simulation Programms, the Teams know EXACTLY what Forces are working in their Suspensions. If they can't build a Suspension strong enough to hold their Car together they should rethink if they really want to be in F1. It's not exactly Rocket Science.

If they were allowed to test more...sure this would be much more doable. But analysis only gets you so far...especially with composites. You have to correlate real test data to ensure your design is where it needs to be. Being withing 10% of an FEA simulation in the real world is impressive with a homogeneous isotropic structure accounting for manufacturing tolerances. Composites are neither isotropic or homogeneous, and to add difficulty, the dynamic input forces will be different with the shorter sidewalls.

Plus the 18s look no better

[Thunder]

That's why there are Safety multipliers and many very smart People with a truckload of experience doing these Simulations. And it is not as if we are adding a 100 Pound Lead weight on each wheel.
Come on Guys, do some of you really think F1 Teams with all these Top Tier Engineers are to stupid to build a Suspension fit for 18 Inch Wheels?