Seems like webbers new book has let a juicy fat cat out the bag already.
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Please, it was only because it didnt benifit Vettel. I lost whatever respect I had for him on that day. From then on he got what he deserved, booed on every podium. To go all legal like he did prooves what a deuchebag he was. He has matured since, well I hope he has. If every driver did this could you imagine how many breaches Ferrari did with Schumi? Talk about a sook. It's not like he was getting robbed of a first victory and he was only thinking of himself and not the team.Jonnycraig wrote:If you read the full quote, the actual events were that Webber's partner (and manager) contacted RB to ask why Vettel hadn't been punished, to which Horner responded that they couldn't, as SV's lawyer had confirmed the team had breached his contract by imposing the team order.
Rather than supporting Webber, it actually confirms what the less hyperbolic were saying at the time, that 60% of the way through the second race of a season is not only wrong from a sporting standpoint, but also from a legal one.
Then by the same token did SV breach that very same contract with "tough luck" in China 2014...Jonnycraig wrote:If you read the full quote, the actual events were that Webber's partner (and manager) contacted RB to ask why Vettel hadn't been punished, to which Horner responded that they couldn't, as SV's lawyer had confirmed the team had breached his contract by imposing the team order.
Rather than supporting Webber, it actually confirms what the less hyperbolic were saying at the time, that 60% of the way through the second race of a season is not only wrong from a sporting standpoint, but also from a legal one.
Exactly, he breached himself and because he didnt like what was going to happen, he couldn't even face the music like a man, he had to get his lawyer to do it for him.Gaz. wrote:Then by the same token did SV breach that very same contract with "tough luck" in China 2014...Jonnycraig wrote:If you read the full quote, the actual events were that Webber's partner (and manager) contacted RB to ask why Vettel hadn't been punished, to which Horner responded that they couldn't, as SV's lawyer had confirmed the team had breached his contract by imposing the team order.
Rather than supporting Webber, it actually confirms what the less hyperbolic were saying at the time, that 60% of the way through the second race of a season is not only wrong from a sporting standpoint, but also from a legal one.
Malaysia 2013 wasn't an unreasonable team order, they were told to race to the last pitstops then bring the cars home in that order.
That would all depend on what the 2014 race contracts said with regards team orders. After Malaysia 2013, RB almost certainly amended their official contractual position.Gaz. wrote:Then by the same token did SV breach that very same contract with "tough luck" in China 2014...
Malaysia 2013 wasn't an unreasonable team order, they were told to race to the last pitstops then bring the cars home in that order.
You're assuming his contract was ammended, and why would he agree to it after battering Webber for 5 years and not knowing Webber was retiring . If as you say there was a financial incentive then why would he change the status quo?Jonnycraig wrote:That would all depend on what the 2014 race contracts said with regards team orders. After Malaysia 2013, RB almost certainly amended their official contractual position.Gaz. wrote:Then by the same token did SV breach that very same contract with "tough luck" in China 2014...
Malaysia 2013 wasn't an unreasonable team order, they were told to race to the last pitstops then bring the cars home in that order.
Whether your opinion about the team order is that is was fair or not, Webber has now revealed that from a legal & contractual standpoint, the team had no standing to impose it and thus couldn't punish Vettel or would leave him free to join another team immediately and without compensation.
Joke of the day“It seemed the thought of me simply being quicker was not one he could entertain,”
Not really, you honestly think webber had the same car as seb? No way on earth, the only time webber and Vettel had the same car was 09-10 and they were pretty evenly matched. Webber more so outpaced seb in 2010 until the support went to the other side of the garage and while webber was ahead on points and wins. They had to support seb otherwise it would make a mockery of the young driver program, that any "outsider" could come in and do better, from then on, webber had an outdated Redbull, plus any advantage he would have over seb on the circuit was gone.Juzh wrote:Joke of the day“It seemed the thought of me simply being quicker was not one he could entertain,”
No, you're assuming that Ricciardo's first RB contract contained the same clauses on team orders that Webber's did before him.Gaz. wrote:You're assuming his contract was ammended, and why would he agree to it after battering Webber for 5 years and not knowing Webber was retiring . If as you say there was a financial incentive then why would he change the status quo?Jonnycraig wrote:That would all depend on what the 2014 race contracts said with regards team orders. After Malaysia 2013, RB almost certainly amended their official contractual position.Gaz. wrote:Then by the same token did SV breach that very same contract with "tough luck" in China 2014...
Malaysia 2013 wasn't an unreasonable team order, they were told to race to the last pitstops then bring the cars home in that order.
Whether your opinion about the team order is that is was fair or not, Webber has now revealed that from a legal & contractual standpoint, the team had no standing to impose it and thus couldn't punish Vettel or would leave him free to join another team immediately and without compensation.
"An unreasonable team order" - China wasn't unreasonable and team orders have existed on or off the record since the sports inception.Jonnycraig wrote: No, you're assuming that Ricciardo's first RB contract contained the same clauses on team orders that Webber's did before him.
Vettel's contract meant that RB couldn't enforce a team order in Malaysia 2013, so there's no reason to believe they would be able to enforce one in China 14.
Is that the same season I watched, as I seem to remember Vettel would have walked it without reliability failures at the start of the year.Emmcee wrote:Webber more so outpaced seb in 2010 until the support went to the other side of the garage and while webber was ahead on points and wins.Juzh wrote:Joke of the day“It seemed the thought of me simply being quicker was not one he could entertain,”
To be fair, he did some rookie mistakes, you can´t blame the car that won both the WCC and WDC despite those rookie mistakes.ChrisF1 wrote:Is that the same season I watched, as I seem to remember Vettel would have walked it without reliability failures at the start of the year.Emmcee wrote: Webber more so outpaced seb in 2010 until the support went to the other side of the garage and while webber was ahead on points and wins.