Mercedes's performance consistency

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Chene_Mostert wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 13:49
Just_a_fan wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 13:45
Chene_Mostert wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 10:43


Actually he does, but Nico would have none of it, hence the "friction".
Hungary proves you wrong. If he had number one status, official or otherwise, he wouldn't have had to give the place back to Bottas.
They were more than willing to sacrifice Bottas... If Lewis managed to get past Kimmi... Something they forgot about in their "act"
Again, if Hamilton was the defacto number one, they would have let him keep the place in order to help his personal title chances. The move to have Bottas let him by was in the hope that Hamilton would be able overtake one or both Ferraris and so improve the team's points haul. As this didn't happen, they reverted their drivers so that Bottas didn't lose out. This is not the action of a team favouring a number one driver.

For an example of a team favouring a number one driver, see Ferrari's action in the same race. Kimi was not allowed to pass Seb. The team favoured their defacto number one.

None of your accusations against Hamilton and Mercedes apply here. They do apply, however, to Vettel and Ferrari. Funny that.
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Re: Mercedes's performance consistency

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Treble wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 13:40
Why Merc doesn't sign Alonso? If Hamilton has no problem with other "number one" in the team it would be the best choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3SUidn2LNg

Perhaps Mercedes not wanting Alonso may have something to do with this?
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Shrieker wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 18:37
sAx wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 14:32

59 Wins, 112 Podiums, 69 Poles...wouldn't want him to be more consistent than that would we?
HAM's a tad behind in percentages compared to the other greats, so he has a point in terms of consistency.
Erm... see the post above. Shows how the Media focuses too much on painting a picture for this one driver! Their trick surely worked on you my friend.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 16:50
Shrieker wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 18:37
sAx wrote:
06 Sep 2017, 14:32

59 Wins, 112 Podiums, 69 Poles...wouldn't want him to be more consistent than that would we?
HAM's a tad behind in percentages compared to the other greats, so he has a point in terms of consistency.
Erm... see the post above. Shows how the Media focuses too much on painting a picture for this one driver! Their trick surely worked on you my friend.
for reference

Wins %:
Schumacher: 29.55
Hamilton: 29.35
Senna: 25.31
Prost: 25.25
Vettel: 24.08

Poles %:
Senna: 40.12
Hamilton: 34.33
Vettel: 25.00
Schumacher: 22.08
Prost: 16.34

Podiums %:

Hamilton: 55.72
Prost: 52.48
Schumacher: 50.32
Vettel: 50.00
Senna: 49.38

Races finished in points position %:

Hamilton: 82.09
Vettel: 80.21
Schumacher: 71.75

Pole and win in same race:
Schumacher: 40
Hamilton: 38
Vettel: 29
Senna: 29
Prost: 18

Pole, win and fastest lap:

Schumacher: 22
Hamilton: 14
Vettel: 8
Prost: 8
Senna: 7

Grand slam / grand chelem:
Hamilton: 5
Schumacher: 5
Vettel: 4
Senna: 4

Hamilton has also won at every circuit he's raced in F1 except Baku. He's the only driver in history to win at least one race in every season in F1 (so far, obviously).

So your point about him in comparison with the best was? By these figures he's the most consistent of the lot!

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TAG wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 16:43
Treble wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 13:40
Why Merc doesn't sign Alonso? If Hamilton has no problem with other "number one" in the team it would be the best choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3SUidn2LNg

Perhaps Mercedes not wanting Alonso may have something to do with this?
Yeah, i totally understand that. The point is that Ham always talks about Ferrari and Vettel and the decision to have a number one driver as a negative thing. But except his FIRST year at Mclaren with ALONSO, he never had a champion as a team mate! NEVER! Rosberg before going to mercedes was worst than Bottas today...

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Treble wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 19:19
TAG wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 16:43
Treble wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 13:40
Why Merc doesn't sign Alonso? If Hamilton has no problem with other "number one" in the team it would be the best choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3SUidn2LNg

Perhaps Mercedes not wanting Alonso may have something to do with this?
Yeah, i totally understand that. The point is that Ham always talks about Ferrari and Vettel and the decision to have a number one driver as a negative thing. But except his FIRST year at Mclaren with ALONSO, he never had a champion as a team mate! NEVER! Rosberg before going to mercedes was worst than Bottas today...
You're going to really piss off Jensen Button fans.
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Not sure wether he was talking about Lewis or Alonso, either way its wrong, Lewis has been next to 2 Current world champions and Nico makes 3 in a sense that he won while next to Lewis.
Alonso has only been next to Kimi.
So both have been next to a champion, Lewis more so.
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So dovetailing back on topic, I think it is fair to conclude that Hamilton's credibility as a driver absolves him of any blame for the irregular performance of the Mercedes W08. It was down to the design of the car and the engineering team's understanding of the setup.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
08 Sep 2017, 01:57
So dovetailing back on topic, I think it is fair to conclude that Hamilton's credibility as a driver absolves him of any blame for the irregular performance of the Mercedes W08. It was down to the design of the car and the engineering team's understanding of the setup.
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The topic title should have been perception is stronger than reality.
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Treble wrote:
07 Sep 2017, 13:40
Why Merc doesn't sign Alonso? If Hamilton has no problem with other "number one" in the team it would be the best choice.
F1 is a team sport, it relies heavily on teamwork, both in the factory as well as both sides of the garage. And history has shown that Alonso isn't a team player, he's probably the worst at it from all the drivers on the grid.

And for that reason alone Alonso would have been the worst choice.
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