Why the FIA bows to Ferrari

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Why the FIA bows to Ferrari

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A very quiet behind the scenes investigation has revealed a secretive pact involving Jean Todt. It seems that Mr. Todt's fiance was doing a fashion shoot in London in 2003 and a certain pop-star was hanging around the set. The pop-star was invited to attend the following GP in Hungary as her guest and that is what led to a curious chain of events. It seems that this pop-star recognized Max Mosley from a previous "encounter". When Michelle Yeoh (Todt's fiance) told Jean about this after the race, the wheels were set in motion for one of the most underhanded political manuevers in F1 history. Within a week Mr. Todt had exploited his new found knowledge to Ferrari's advantage. Now what Michelle Yeoh could have possibly told Jean that she learned from her guest George Michael is still a mystery to me but I think it is safe to say that we haven't heard the last of this dark matter. :wink: :wink:
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Max Mosley is not gay and it's nobody's business that he is! :wink:

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joseff wrote:Max Mosley is not gay and it's nobody's business that he is! :wink:

... not that there is anything wrong with that.... - Jerry Seinfeld
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gcdugas wrote:
joseff wrote:Max Mosley is not gay and it's nobody's business that he is! :wink:

... not that there is anything wrong with that.... - Jerry Seinfeld
:lol: I guess he is not the "Master of his own domain"...

Seriously, this is despicable gossip.
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I don't think anyone said Max was inclined that way.
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and you can see why not.
he is after all very macho

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ooooohhhhhhhhhh.......the sauce of it :oops:

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What the hell is this, Heat magazine?!
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Well, if the rumors are true, it confirms 2 things:

1) Michelle Yeoh knows Jean Todt
2) Jean Todt runs Ferrari

All the other conclusions, I knew beforehand
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gcdugas wrote: but I think it is safe to say that we haven't heard the last of this dark matter. :wink: :wink:
But I really hope we have.

In 1963, Enzo had the FIA cancel two sports car races to ensure his GTOs would beat Carroll Shelby's Cobras for the title. Shelby won outright in 1964. Like it or not, good or bad, Ferrari is the most famous name in sports car and Formula 1 history. That is why the FIA keeps them at the forefront and always will. Its quite simply marketing. Everyone in the pub has heard the name Ferrari, not everyone knows Williams.

In 1963, Max hadn't even formed March yet, much less been involved with the FIA. So history and brand recognition have more bearing on the current situation than this bit of fantasy.

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Ted68 wrote:
gcdugas wrote: but I think it is safe to say that we haven't heard the last of this dark matter. :wink: :wink:
But I really hope we have.

In 1963, Enzo had the FIA cancel two sports car races to ensure his GTOs would beat Carroll Shelby's Cobras for the title. Shelby won outright in 1964. Like it or not, good or bad, Ferrari is the most famous name in sports car and Formula 1 history. That is why the FIA keeps them at the forefront and always will. Its quite simply marketing. Everyone in the pub has heard the name Ferrari, not everyone knows Williams.

In 1963, Max hadn't even formed March yet, much less been involved with the FIA. So history and brand recognition have more bearing on the current situation than this bit of fantasy.

Are we to infer from your answer that we should endorse winning titles by political manipulation ("at tables" - Briatore)? We should revel in past corruption as well. Viva Max! You are just keeping a tradition alive. What else are we to conclude from your rationale? Perhaps with a little more tweaking Max could move F1 into the "Professional Wrestling" category. As it is about 45-50% of the public thinks F1 is fixed...

From these surveys, Clicky we can see that Briatore's comments about F1 fixing and Italian soccer scandals is not an aberant view at all. The CVC had better light a candal under Max's butt and get the FIA's house in order before fans leave in droves. An amazing 45%-51% believe that F1 is rigged. While "Professional Wrestling" is still a huge draw and wildly popular, corproate participation is notable absent. Is that what we want to see in F1? A former sport reduced to a farcical sideshow complete with a three legged man and a bearded lady?

You have gone WAY TOO FAR Max, and you had better take steps right now to "fix" F1... in the remedial sense of the word. Even Bernie called it a farce. Time to wake up.
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sometimes i doubt max mosley reads this board.

But on the other hand, what exactly is the value of the FIA? What's preventing people from putting together a substitute organization?

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Ted68 wrote:Everyone in the pub has heard the name Ferrari, not everyone knows Williams.
I resent that... :) You have to change that pub: they must be (Holy Mother of God!) soccer fans or something even worse...
captainmorgan wrote:What's preventing people from putting together a substitute organization?
About 2 billion euros, 40 years of work and a little good luck?
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captainmorgan wrote:sometimes i doubt max mosley reads this board.

But on the other hand, what exactly is the value of the FIA? What's preventing people from putting together a substitute organization?
Exclusive contracts with the tracks and insurers that would be illegal in any other industry. Microsoft got in trouble for something that they never did... having contracts that said "if you want to sell our software then you can't sell Netscape." But the FIA openly has contracts that forbid venues from hosting ant races that they don't approve of or sanction. Moreover, the FIA exercises cross-discipline vendettas. Last year Michelin felt this when they were skipped over in being allowed to bid in another series. All of this is clearly unethical, but it is perfectly consistent with Max's socialistic worldview which holds that a highly centralized authority will artificially redistribute wealth, arbitrarily determine rules unilaterally etc. He eschews liberty and market forces religiously. They simply do not fit into his philosophy at all. Oswald Mosley would be proud of his son.

2 billion euros is a drop in the bucket to the GPMA. They lacked courage and were foolish enough to think that they could negotiate with a shifty liar like Max. The moment the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) was ratified was the moment Max started to violate it. He foisted this whole nut-ball engine freeze crap on the teams after the MoU stated that the teams were to decide the regs. He over-rode the engine agreement made at Indy and denied it a formal vote until after the deadline passed. He has dealt deceitfully for years. He got his first taste of raw power when Senna died and he unilaterally imposed safety rules. In 1998 he imposed the narrow tract/grooved tyre rules. In 2003 he unilaterally dictated a one-race engine rule, changed qualifying and imposed goofy race-fuel notions that still haunt us today. Half the field can decide their fuel after quali but the other half can't... brilliant, and fair too. Last year it was a two-race engine rule. With 10-grid demotions, not just the race becaue a reliabilityfest, but practice sessions. Sunday morning warm up has gone the way of the dinosaur... great for the fans Max. Now the rules make teams conserve their engines so much that the first Friday session rarely has any serious players doing any laps, and the laps in the second Friday session and Saturday practice are kept to a minimum. Again, the FIA chows it contempt for the fans. All this is in the holy name of cast savings. I told you Max eschews market forces. The teams have plenty of incentives to seek reliability without artificial rules and egreegious grid demotions that often ruin the race since a contender may qualify on pole next to his main rival but be demoted to 11th for the race. Great fro the fans eh? Max is a genius...... Oh and he "must "save F1 from itself" because the manufacturers might leave if it becomes too costly. That my friends is a messianic delusion that ordinary psychologists classify as a major disorder.

However it is like art prices. The F1 WDC title is worth what the teams are willing to pay for it. If Toyota wants to spend 5 gazillion euros for the title, then let them. The will be greatly embarrased if they lose to a team that spent one quarter that ammount. Plus it will greatly reduce its luster if it is percieved that they just outspent their rivals and effectively bought the title rather than winning it on merit. So there are plenty of normal market forces pressing costs downward without all Max's socialistic artifices imposeed. Word to Max... you are living in the past. Come out of your ancient Cos DFV dream world. The "manufacturer era" began when Renault introduced the turbos and has been with us for over 28yrs. In fact, the "manufacturer era" predated the Cos DFV era with Mercedes, Honda, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Porche, et. al. being the backbone of the sport since its inception. If anything the Cos DFV kit car "garagista" era was an aberation. The manufacturers are going nowhere unless Max diminishes the cache of F1 as the "pinnacle of motorsport" and the proving grounds for technology. And this is precisely the agenda that Max is persuing... duh! F1 will be better once Max retires or expires. He is a curse and not a blessing.

The current FIA is a product of the FISA/FOCA war in 1982 so it is only 24 yrs old, not "over 40yrs". And while this may seem like nit picking, it is important to note that the current FIA has no real lineage to the governance of the sport from it inception up until 1983. Therefore if the GPMA, or any other rival sanctioning body wants to withdraw from the FIA and establish something alternative, it would have as much legitimacy as its constituent parts. So if the FIA wants a low-tech spec series with Ferrari and Ferrari engined teams, then let them. Tell me which one would inherit the mantle as "the pinnacle of motorsport", a Ferrari only low-tech spec series or a rival series with BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Renault, Toyota all racing genuine hi-tech cars with rules that welcome innovation? Bernie and Max can copyright all the terms they want like "F1" etc. If they are not careful, the CVC could end up with 100% of nothing when the GPMA teams leave one by one from a series that is no longer viewed as "the pinnacle of motorsport" but rather one that is a spec racer series with rigged outcomes like "Professional Wrestling". "Grand Prix" is public domain and as long as that is so, then the mantle of "the pinnacle of motorsport" will be worn by the series that best embodies the true spirit of F1 in its rules and races.
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Ciro, you are absolutely correct! Perhaps we could some of the younger members of this board to the pubs of the world to teach the Gospels of Brabham, Jordan, Tyrrell, Sauber and of course Yip among others. I think Tom would make a fine emisary.

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