Final races, new or old engines?

[marcosp]

Is anyone keeping track of ferraris and renaults engines? Whos using new ones and who has old ones for Suzuka?
They should have this on the official website...
Any info is appreciated...

[vyselegend]

Both the Renaults drivers and both Ferrari drivers will use the same engine as in china. This will allow both teams to run (unofficials) one GP engines in brazil.
Appart maybe Massa since he didn't cross the line in China.

[pRo]

This will allow both teams to run (unofficials) one GP engines in brazil.

Unless someone needs a new engine before the race in Japan.

[manchild]

Unless someone needs a new engine before the race in Japan.

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[Scuderia_Russ]

I think Renault have blown up the same number of engines in a month as Ferrari have in the last three weeks... or there abouts.

[Venom]

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"It is not enough to succeed. The others must fail"

[pRo]

I think Renault have blown up the same number of engines in a month as Renault have in the last three weeks...

Huhwha?

[Scuderia_Russ]

Ha-ha, sorry, I've only just read that. Of course I mean they must be equalling Ferrari on blow ups for the year now after grenading two in testing after Monza.

[manchild]

Ha-ha, sorry, I've only just read that. Of course I mean they must be equalling Ferrari on blow ups for the year now after grenading two in testing after Monza.

Ha!

You're forgetting problems with pistons Ferrari had at the beginning of the season. Ferrari had at least 5 engine changes (I think 6) so far during race weekends while Renault had 1 or 2. Engine blows during testing is what they did on purpose last time to check if failure will occur on same place as it happened in Monza. Dyno testing can't give real pic as it can running engine under G forces.

[f1.redbaron]

Speaking of engine related retirements, this could prove to be the one that broke the camel's back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJp8U3gwAwE

btw, Tomba, you're not gonna ban me from posting this clip, are you?

[Ciro Pabón]

All the engine changes in 2006, verse and chapter, by Brian Lawrence inhabitant of Usenet, statistic extraordinaire.

According to his data, Alonso, Fisichella and Schumacher (besides de la Rosa, Sato and Webber) race in Suzuka on a second-hand engine. Nice.

@ Manchild: Ferrari has had nine "unforced errors" and Renault has had zero. That is, Ferrari has lost 90 grid positions thanks to its wonderful, expensive engines. Mmmmmm.... what could be Red Bull possibly thinking about next year's deal?

On the other hand, it is funny how little engines had Ferrari blown during a race: they only have 2 failures. Perhaps there is a lesson here: if your car is dominant, it is better to use a new engine for the race and "blow" it discreetly during the weekend, no matter that you lose 10 positions on the start. As a bonus, your "second" driver goes on a different fuel load that the guys at front and perhaps, can interfere somehow. Strategy, strategy or paranoia, paranoia? Do not take me too seriously, pleeeze, specially you, MC. This is pure and clear armchair speculation on my part .

Anyway, you can check the statistics on free changes and enforced changes by driver on Brian's post in Usenet.

Brian is the same guy that delivered the figures for overtakings per Grand Prix that I posted some time ago. This are the same overtakings I wish to convert to overtakings per track, a thread where you, guys, have been really helpful... Total number of answers: zero. Thanks, you are a gift from heaven. Ehem. You do not need to thank me for the formatting, either . Like my mother uses to say: go, enjoy yourselves, I'll stay here doing the laundry... do not feel guilty.

E# = Number of engines used in the first 16 GPs in 2006
[Avg. in brackets] = The car uses the same engine in next GP
*NE = New engine next GP
**FC = Free change next GP

By driver, ordered by average kilometers ran per engine (look how well americans and Cosworths blend! ) :

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C# Driver(s)           Engine            E#    Km.    Avg. 
========================================================== 
21  Scott Speed        Cosworth TJ2005-2  8   8,070  1,009   *NE[V10] 
 1  Fernando Alonso    Renault RS26       9   8,722   [969] 
16  Nick Heidfeld      BMW P86            8   7,572    947   *NE 
 2  G Fisichella       Renault RS26       9   8,363   [929] 
11  Rubens Barrichello Honda RA806E       9   8,361    929   *NE 
 5  Michael Schumacher Ferrari 056       10   8,679   [868] 
14  David Coulthard    Ferrari 056        9   7,583    843   *NE 
18  Tiago Monteiro     Toyota RVX-06      9   7,527    836   *NE[V10] 
12  Jenson Button      Honda RA806E      10   8,224    823   *NE 
20  Vitantonio Liuzzi  Cosworth TJ2005-2 10   8,073    807   *NE 
 7  Ralf Schumacher    Toyota RVX-06     11   8,602   [782]  **FC
 4  Montoya/de la Rosa Mercedes FO108S    9   6,991   [777] 
 8  Jarno Trulli       Toyota RVX-06     11   8,455   [769]  **FC
 3  Kimi Räikkönen     Mercedes FO108S    9   6,885    765   *NE 
 6  Felipe Massa       Ferrari 056       11   8,389   [763]  **FC
15  Klien/Doornbos     Ferrari 056        9   6,750    750   *NE 
19  Christijan Albers  Toyota RVX-06     10   7,276    728   *NE 
17  Villeneuve/Kubica  BMW P86           11   7,744    704   *NE 
22  Takuma Sato        Honda RA806E      12   8,038   [670] 
23  Ide/Montag./Yamam. Honda RA806E      10   6,584    658   *NE 
 9  Mark Webber        Cosworth CA2006   10   6,141   [614] 
10  Nico Rosberg       Cosworth CA2006   10   6,083    608   *NE 
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                                        214 169,112   [790]

By constructor, ordered by average kilometers per engine:

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Team          Engine            E#    Km.    Avg. 
================================================== 
Renault       Renault RS26      18  17,085   [949] 
Toro Rosso    Cosworth TJ2005-2 18  16,143    897       [V10] 
Honda         Honda RA806E      19  16,585    873 
Ferrari       Ferrari 056       21  17,068   [813] 
BMW Sauber    BMW P86           19  15,316    806
Red Bull      Ferrari 056       18  14,333    796 
Spyker MF1    Toyota RVX-06     19  14,803    779 
Toyota        Toyota RVX-06     22  17,057   [775] 
McLaren       Mercedes FO108S   18  13,876   [771] 
Super Aguri   Honda RA806E      22  14,622   [664] 
Williams      Cosworth CA2006   20  12,224   [611] 
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                               214 169,112   [790]

By engine, ordered by average kilometers per engine:

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Engine               E#    Km.     Avg.  Team(s) 
============================================================ 
Renault RS26         18  17,085   [949]  Renault 
Cosworth TJ2005-2    18  16,143    897   Toro Rosso   [V10] 
BMW P86              19  15,316    806   BMW Sauber 
Ferrari 056          39  31,401   [805]  Ferrari, Red Bull 
Toyota RVX-06        41  31,860   [777]  Toyota, Spyker MF1 
Mercedes FO108S      18  13,876   [771]  McLaren 
Honda RA806E         41  31,207   [761]  Honda, Super Aguri 
Cosworth CA2006      20  12,224   [611]  Williams 
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                    214 169,112   [790]

Enforced changes (incurring in a 10 place penalty):

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Number of enforced changes 
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Ferrari      9 
Toyota       8 
Honda        7 
BMW          3 
Cosworth     3 
Cos. V10     2 
Renault      0 
Mercedes     0 
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Free changes (after failing to finish previous GP/no penalty)

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Number of free Changes 
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Honda        8 
Toyota       5 
Cosworth     4 
Mercedes     4 
BMW          2 
Cos. V10     2 
Ferrari      2 
Renault      1 
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