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Amazing statistics!

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Renault F1 team wrote:Chassis R26-03 took to the grid in Bahrain some seven months ago, and the same car crossed the finishing line in Brazil. It did not miss a single race – and probably has just become the most valuable Renault in history!
Only one chassis for whole season :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

That's true reason for "1/3 of what other teams spend" 8)

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Ted68
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Amazing, did Fisi use only one chassis also? I think it was 1985 or 6 that Senna used the same chassis for all but two races in a Lotus-Renault.

Renault definitely knows how to build racing equipment.

My oldest sister's first new car was a 1981 Renault Fuego 1.6 Turbo--reliable was not a term associated with that car.

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Exscuse my ignorance, but couldn't they race in another chassis in other races, then revert back to the old one when needed, like Brazil?
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Ted68 wrote:My oldest sister's first new car was a 1981 Renault Fuego 1.6 Turbo--reliable was not a term associated with that car.
Many people have killed their turbos by revving them high before the oil has warmed and cutting off ignition without avaiting for turbine to stall. In both cases turbine revs at fantastic speed without apropriate lubrification which ruins the turbo and has bad effect on whole lubricating system and all parts of the engine.

My father and my aunt had Renault 4. Both crossed 100.000 km without any problems over 12 years. The only problem was caused by main braking cylinder manufatured by Lockheed :lol:
zenvision wrote:Exscuse my ignorance, but couldn't they race in another chassis in other races, then revert back to the old one when needed, like Brazil?
Sure, but they didn't, it was the same car. FIA scrutineering reports can confirm that.

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f1.redbaron
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Re: Amazing statistics!

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manchild wrote:
Renault F1 team wrote:Chassis R26-03 took to the grid in Bahrain some seven months ago, and the same car crossed the finishing line in Brazil. It did not miss a single race – and probably has just become the most valuable Renault in history!
Only one chassis for whole season :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

That's true reason for "1/3 of what other teams spend" 8)

All that means is that Alonso never crashed.

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In 2005, Fernando Alonso took the world title three races from the end of the championship. This year, it may have taken until the final round, but even under extreme pressure the Spaniard scored more points than last season. With a total of 134 points, against 133 twelve months ago, he demonstrated just how exceptional this season was. Fernando won seven races: Bahrain, Australia, Spain, Monaco, Great Britain, Canada and Japan. He only retired twice, in Budapest and Monza, following mechanical problems. Of those 16 finishes, he was on the podium for 14 of them – which takes his total number of podiums to 37 since Malaysia 2003! In 2006, he also set new marks: 6 pole positions, like in 2005, to take his total to 15 since 2003. He also set five fastest laps this year, against just two last season.

As for Fisico, he scored 72 points – against 58 last year. This meant he finished 4th in the drivers’ championship this year, against 5th last year. That’s the best result of his career, and his part in Renault’s double constructors’ championship is a Formula 1 first for an Italian. What’s more, the Italian retired just twice this season – against six times in 2005.

Finally, the Renault F1 Team has reasons to celebrate too. The team scored points in 17 of 18 races, drawing a blank only in Budapest. In 36 starts, the drivers retired just four times – compared to seven times last year. The team finished the season with a total of 206 points, against 191 last year. In 2005, the teams fighting for the title scored 373 points; this year, Ferrari and Renault took that total to 407! The number illustrates the intensity of the season-long battle. Renault F1 Team scored 8 wins, like in 2005, and took 19 podium finishes compared to 18 last year.

http://www.renaultf1.com/en/car/chassis ... cm:3-51796

Tp
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Surely that can't be right, I thought they only last up to 8 races max. After that it loses it's torsional rigidity.

zac510
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Maybe it was the third car on some occasions...

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Alonso crashed in the Hungarian Grand Prix when Jenson Button won.

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wazojugs
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it was not exactly a crash with a high impact to the chassis just damage to nose cone when the wheel nut wasn't secured

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If you're trying to win with 1/3 of what other teams spend than 1/3 of your team will loose hair :lol:

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A team normally needs for a whole season as average between 6 and 8 tubs.
They carry 4 at each race (3 assembled cars, official + T, and then a spare tub disassembled) and then need a few more for testing.
The limitation on testing, with a max of 2 cars used contemporarily each day also reduced the total number of chassis needed compared with few years ago.
The first tub built is used for crash tests and typically not used for races, possibly only as spare for the very first races when further tubs aren’t ready yet.

Usually teams build pretty much all the chassis they are planning to use at the start of the year so by late April they stop the “production”. At that point only in case of irreparable damages or in case of modification of the design/building method, new tubs are needed.

Amongst the theoretically identical tubs that teams have since the start of season, you’ll find that more often than not, a driver will show a preference for a given chassis and, although with varying level of affection, will try to use it as long as possible. During the whole season, bar exceptional circumstances a single driver typically uses a couple of different chassis in total for the races and more often than not one of them for lot more races than the other one (something like 13-15 vs 5-3).

Furthermore, contrarily to few years ago when #1 driver of each team often was using 2 cars in practice to then pick for the race the one he preferred, nowadays the car you make the first lap of the weekend on is the car you’ll keep till the end of race hence they don’t change chassis but in case of damage. Given then the engine rules, the number of laps in the weekend is drastically reduced (Renault typically didn’t even make a single lap in the first hour of Friday practice). Nowadays in a single weekend drivers run 500 km or little more, considering the whole season this means 9000-9500 km; a tub can easily cope with that, it would be quite worrying if it wasn’t the case.

Consequently that Alonso apparently used the same tub for all the races isn’t something extraordinary and tells nothing about Renault budget (that is lot bigger than Briatore would ever admit, even under torture... more or less 2.6-2.7 times more than the 1/3 of biggest one ;-)), reliability, ability to build cars etc etc. probably if you looked at the km each one of the existing R26 tubs completed on track in total you would find that the R26-03 isn’t even the one used the most.
Very likely it was Alonso himself that preferred it over the other ones and not necessarily because it was better, possibly just because he, consciously or not, convinced himself that it was the lucky one.
manchild wrote: FIA scrutineering reports can confirm that.
In the scrutineering reports the cars are identified only by race number and the race number is related to the driver. Chassis number isn’t reported.
The only thing the scrutineering reports can confirm is that Alonso never changed chassis during parc fermé because that would be indicated (as for example Massa in Australia), but you can’t find there if the tub used in a given race is the same used in other ones. Actually it wouldn’t even be reported if someone changed the chassis while not in parc fermé, for example between Friday and Saturday, it would be just like changing any other part, allowed freely during the weekend bar in parc fermé when approval is needed. Only “special” part the change of which is always reported is, obviously, the engine because of the related penalty.

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Alonso in Hungary, he ent in backwards and didn't even knock the rear wing off. There may have been some diffuser damage but it'll never affect the chassis at that speed.
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The chassis is incredibly hard and is made of many parts. Even Albers chassis, after being infamously demolished by Sato, was reused. Look:
The track marshals put the pieces of the car onto a truck and deliver it to the pits, where the team does a first assessment of the damage.

"From there we are immediately on the phone to the guys who will be coming into work on Monday morning so they will know what they can expect," Harlow said.

It is transported to the factory, stripped down and tested to see how much of it can be reused. The pieces undergo stress tests. The main tub is tested for shape and resistance changes.

New parts are made and the car is reassembled and repainted overnight to avoid losing workshop time. Rebuilding Albers's car took four and a half days.

The team was lucky. Spectacular as it was, the accident did not destroy the chassis.

"These days you very rarely write off a chassis, they are pretty much repairable," Phillips said, "because you build them in two halves and there's about seven different sections of the thing and you can cut out the bits and put a new section back in."
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/iht/2006/05/12/s ... 2prix.html

They also mentions that they can even reconstruct the car during the weekend, because most drivers don't like the spare car and prefer its own to be rebuilt in case of a crash. Wow.
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