P_O_L wrote:In defence of scrapping melbourne; that track has rarely provided interesting races. It has no fast corners or overtaking opportunities. In fact id rather go back to adelaide.
No fast corners, are you on --- crack? Apex speeds 2007: 212km/h Guess what corner that is, yea and its not T5 which is taken flat if you got a good car udner you.
checkered wrote:It sure isn't
very logical to spread F1 races all over the Globe and then try and tailor the schedules to suit just one market. It's like Bernie's saying: "Look, the locals aren't a priority. Their taxpayer money is, but we cater to a European audience first and foremost, you've just gotta deal with it. Any takers?" Such a message doesn't say much about the trust Ecclestone places in the real remaining Global potential of the sport. Basically, it seems like the main part of the business will still be driven by a geographical and demographical minority (as TV viewers or tourists), other areas serving merely as subcontractors or suitable outsourcing locations. As much as I like Formula One, were I bestowed with the public trust as an elected leader (or even dictatorial power over), say, of an ascending Asian nation, the economics, the cultural aspect and even the symbolism of this arrangement would seem all wrong to me - i.e. "no sale".
Exactly my thoughts. He keeps saying the move into dodgy corrupt Dubai/India slums will be global thing for F1. Then he caters for an European audience, f'in twat.
Rob W wrote:The reality is an 8pm race for Melbourne wouldn't be a major move for them and is practical in many ways. It's still daylight until after 8pm in March anyway so it could be a twilight race.
Likewise, the GP has lost a lot of money the past two years - exacerbated by the loss of the V8 support race and last year the World Swimming Champs were also on the same week.
Bernie does have a point - the potential audience pool Europe-wide is over 500 million people. I assume if he could move the GP to a better time-slot for Europe (9-12am-ish in Europe if it was done at 8pm local time) then he could probably offer them cheaper hosting rights because of higher TV revenue elsewhere.
I stay at a house about 100m from Albert Park usually during the GP weekend and moving the race to 8pm would mean there would be less noise for at least half the day for a change.
As for the 'green' concerns. Honestly, the environmental impact of running the lights would be about 1/1000th that of the cars. It's not even an issue.
V8s are back. Btw I've never really seen a house 100m from the track just apartments
Expo wrote:It does baffle me why people think energy is precious. I'm all for being "greener" but i don't think people really have enough information on a given energy burning issue to know what would be greener.
for example, the AGP is currently on during the night in Europe.. For the millions of fans in Europe watching the race they are using energy during hours they would usually be asleep. i would argue that the amount of power used to light up a race track for a few hours pales into insignificance compared to all the lights, kettles, televisions, etc that the European fans will use this coming weekend at about 4am.
But i'm just guessing. It sounds fair to me. Anyway F1 has always been a mix of sport and business. If a race is losing money and could make more money in other ways then thats where the sport goes.
Anyway i'd love to see a night race in Australia! What a great spectacle! Plus more fans in Europe would be able to watch it. How can that be a bad thing?
I love the AGP but i have to say opening a season in the middle of the night (for the biggest percentage of F1 fans worldwide) is a bit of an anti climax. I prefer it when Bahrain started the season, even if it is "like driving round Heathrow airport" as Mark Webber so eloquently put it.
And the people outside of Europe wasting that energy to watch races anywhere from 12am-4am (yea and they're not live at least here most of the time).
Jersey Tom wrote:Bernie.. what an ass. Its a global sport. You have races, and fans, in the Americas, in Europe, in Asia. Obviously races will be on at odd hours for some people. Just let it be. Hasn't been an issue yet. Dumb to cater just to one audience.
There is no solution to this, deal with it. If we've (I mean all in a radically different TZ than Europe) managed for decades, why are you bitching about 2-3 races (Canada, Brazil, Aus)
checkered wrote:A little perspective
to back the conversation up, courtesy of grandprix.com (read the whole article there): The constant pursuit of numbersGrandprix.com wrote:Bernie Ecclestone is a man who likes numbers. They are the way in which he can measure progress. His chief aim is to expand the Formula 1 circus year after year, pushing up the number of viewers, and reaching the widest possible audience around the world. It is a process that has been going on since the 1970s when Formula 1 was a much less organised activity than it is today.
If only that was true buddy.... the Aus GP just about brings the most spectators out of all F1 GPs over the weekend. Hardly any traffic problems either.