2008 Jerez Testing Sept

[timbo]

That is UGLIEST F1 car I've ever seen

For those petitionists: create a petition to change regulations considering HOW IT LOOKS LIKE!!!!

[modbaraban]

That is hideous! I nearly had my lunch back out.

Looks like this



Actually CDG wing looked better!

PS: back to F1 that still looks like one.



Honda's new nose pillar solution.

[Conceptual]

Just once, It would be great to see something like this presented to the world, and not have so much crying and threatening to watch "something else".

Form follows function, and if the function is fast cars that can pass on track, and this is the form that the OWG has come up with, I will reserve judgement until the function is dis-proven.

Bottom line is that as long as it is symetrical, I can deal with any shape they make these cars. I don't have the knee jerk vomit waves that some have already spoken about.

It would be great to hear some info concerning the wing/diffusor instead of the hate that swells up on this board.

Ogami, any related info?

[Conceptual]

Check out willams 2009 wing:

NOTICE THE GLOVES THAT THESE MECHANICS ARE WEARING!!!

I guess they dont want an episode like BMW, but they told everyone what happened. I find it odd that they would still be protecting against it if they know how to avoid it.

Or are they doing some Posing, hoping to get KERS delayed til 2010?

[johny]

weren't they using a flywheel??? maybe every team will move to a electric one?

[Vasco]

Yeah, I also thought that Williams would use a flywheel system.....maybe they were just bluffing

[MattF1]

Nakajima's fastest lap was a 1:23.2

3.6 seconds slower than the fastest car, the BMW. Bearing in mind that they were running grooved tyres, the lap times should be very similar to last season.

[pgj]

Williams still use an electric motor to provide power into the drive-train. The difference is that instead of batteries, Williams uses a flywheel to store the energy, the flywheel generates electricity to power the motor so far as I am aware.

Williams is not using a purely mechanical version of KERS, just a mechanical method of storing energy. (I think!)

[Scotracer]

Nakajima's fastest lap was a 1:23.2

3.6 seconds slower than the fastest car, the BMW. Bearing in mind that they were running grooved tyres, the lap times should be very similar to last season.

"Our objective wasn't chasing a time ago because, among others things, we were very heavy with fuel, but to finish the day without errors and being able to do what was asked of me.... I can't be more pleased." - Sam Michael

No time chasing

[WhiteBlue]

Williams still use an electric motor to provide power into the drive-train. The difference is that instead of batteries, Williams uses a flywheel to store the energy, the flywheel generates electricity to power the motor so far as I am aware.

Williams is not using a purely mechanical version of KERS, just a mechanical method of storing energy. (I think!)

I have problems to see where it would be an advantage to use an electric motor with a flywheel. A flywheel needs an infinitely variable transmission that can be reversed whether you feed the energy into an electric motor or into the rear wheel. so would an electric motor not be just dead weight?

[Scotracer]

Williams "Flybrid" system:



No electric motor.

[pgj]

@WhiteBlue, you may be right. I just put out my understanding of the flywheel to test my understanding as much as anything. I have no reason to doubt your reasoning or that of Scotracer.

That is a useful diagram Scotracer, where did it come from?

[Timstr]

A flywheel does not exclude the use of a battery

Q: Finally, talking packaging of KERS. Because of the different aero the car will look different, but the cars could also look different because of KERS as you've got to package capacitors or batteries or whatever you choose to specify. How much has that affected the packaging of the car and therefore how much does that effect the aero of the car?

Vasselon: From a visual point of view the KERS will not be visible. So in most cases it will be very difficult to detect a car which runs KERS from one which doesn't. Yes, it's big, I think 30, 35 kilo, but not big to the point that you can say 'here's where the KERS is mounted'. We have already been discussing this in the last Technical Working Group (TWG), not all the teams, but several, are planning to put KERS below the fuel cell, so this kind of integration will make KERS almost invisible.

Q: That's if they're running a battery.

Vasselon: No, why?

Q: Well if you're running a mechanical system, then you can't put it under the fuel cell, the flywheel...'

Vasselon: You have different types of flywheels. Starting from the same energy storage concept the flywheel, you can either drive it mechanically via the gearbox and you have to be reasonably close to the 'box, of course. But you also have electrical flywheels, the flywheel is just a motor generator. In this case you can put it where you want, you just need wires.

[From autopsort.com's weekly journal]

[Scotracer]

@WhiteBlue, you may be right. I just put out my understanding of the flywheel to test my understanding as much as anything. I have no reason to doubt your reasoning or that of Scotracer.

That is a useful diagram Scotracer, where did it come from?

http://www.flybridsystems.com/

[woohoo]

Williams "Flybrid" system:



No electric motor.

That CVT, how does that work ?
The two cones and a band/chain ?