DaveKillens wrote:From what I have read, this appears to be a very political move by Max, he's trying to assemble a common consensus, no matter who objects.
Ogami musashi wrote:I don't mind that much the standard undertray (well in addition it brings a huge favorable factor in the wake signature problem), i don't mind the stanadrd brakes (they already use third party brakes anyway..) but the standard suspensions and gearboxes are just opposed to the engineering standard.
jon-mullen wrote:It makes it that much more rewarding to get the Constructor's Trophy then.
Ciro Pabón wrote:I still remember when Formula One was standardized. It wasn't that bad. Everybody could slap a Cosworth DFV and a Hewland gearbox to a tub and be done with it. People worried more about racing that about racing cars.
Then the Renault RS01 came and two years later, after a painful development that earned that car the nickname of the yellow teapot, because of its many failures, it proved to be so superior that BMW, TAG and Honda developed their own engines. I don't know if that engine the famous Renault VT6 (I think) was made by the devil. Formula One has never recovered from that or from the ground effect.
Heck, I would go all the way for standard or heavily restricted (in price!) engines AND gearboxes. That could be a change we can believe in...
Just in the remote case someone is interested in value engineering, there you go: Value Methodology Standard
safeaschuck wrote:Its a rubbish idea becuase it shows no imagination and does nothing about the overspending on aero.
This is never going to happen but I'd love to see a downforce limit.
I know it's difficult and probably prohibitivly expensive to police but when have those two factors ever stopped an F1 team considering an idea.
I know the template boards (go/no go gauges) the FIA use to measure the wing sizes these days are very fancy looking but there a little behind the times.
Whether they ask teams to sumbmit fully modeled car exteriors for CFD anlaysis or take cars from parc ferme away after every race for a run in a controlled wind tunnel, a downforce limit of, say 2/3rd's of todays level to begin with, probably falling as teams bedded in to the idea would give the tyres and powertrain a chance to shine again against the ridiculously overly influential aero of these cars.
They can have pretty much free reign on wing layout and aero balance of the car as long as the overall downforce remains within limits.
Surely this would save teams WAY more than engine restrictions, ah, but it would cost the FIA money:( poor broke b'stards.
Ogami musashi wrote: That's an idea (to limit downforce), but i think for the purpose you want would not work..... Downforce is certainly a tricky thing that brings some desadvantages but still have good impacts on some important topic like high speed cornering....
Ogami musashi wrote: So limiting downforce would still put the emphasis on aero efficiency, which is not new. Today's cars still have less downforce than in 2004 but far better aero efficiency (topping at 4 pounds of downforce for 1 pound of drag in monaco configuration).
If you limit downforce, which i think would be a good idea on the basis of safety and/or set up balance, you'll immediately trigger the downforce to drag ratio mania.
There is no doubt that downforce is needed for a competitive pinacle of motor sport formula. The question is how much?
In my view the sensible limits are exceded when a corner like Eau Rouge which used to be a test for the brave 11 years ago can be taken flat out. High speed cornering on that level just increases the risks and the costs for safety measures at the circuits without contributing to the over all attraction of the sport. It can be much more entertaining to watch drivers go through such corners as fast as they can without full throttle.
There is no skill in putting the pedal to the metal with downforce gluing the car to the track but there is great talent required to balance a race car on the edge of adhesion in a roller coaster like Eau Rouge.
So in this context from an entertaining and safety perspective I welcome the downforce cut they did for 2009. Will it be enough and will it be on a level appropriate for the increased grip? We will have to see.
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