I don't agree. Mclaren's previous actions with regards to anything other than their previous conduct in front of the stewards should have no bearing on their treatment in this instance.DaveKillens wrote:And please, Stepneygate really has nothing to do with this, with the exception that McLaren's past history has to be taken into account when punishment is decided.
But how can you defeat them? In my mind only by being transparent, truthful and cooperative with other teams. McLaren's lie don't help that.gcdugas wrote:Let's remember that the holy, pure, imperial, grand majestic FIA themselves have lied about statements their own stewards made. Here it is from the FIA steward Scott Andrews. He told them the FIA’s email was “grossly inaccurate and misleading.” Source
Spencifer_Murphy wrote:LMFAO!!!gcdugas wrote:No team has ever lied in the history of F1 before! Hang 'em by the balls over a vat of boiling oil! And we need a $200M fine plus exclusion until 2050. Zis ess verboten! Vee cannot have zis! Nine! Schnell!
Wonderful quote. I have to say I do agree in as much as while I DO understand the serverity of what Mclaren have done I fail to see how this is any different to:
FIA: Michael, did you deliberately park your car at the La Rasscasse hairpin in 2006?
Schumi: No. :^o
With the notable exception of the fact there is more conclusive evidence against Mclaren & Lewis in this case than there was against Schumi & Ferrari.
or even:
FIA: Ayrton, did you deliberatly run Alain off the road at Suzuka in 1990?
Ayrton: No. :^o
It just seems a to me that recent punishments against Mclaren (including the spygate scandal) have been a bit draconian.
That all being said I have no sympathy for them, after the spygate scandal and the rather hefty punishment handed to them, you'd have thought Mclaren would have been a little more careful in future!
Exactly, even faced with the facts, they still tried to lieIt's McLaren the ugly team nowadays and you all know it. FIA letter doesn't leave room for guesses: they continued to lie even when confronted with their own recordings. For the love of Pete, what's that? Not even my children do that. I have doubts: I don't know if to call it stupidity or crime. I guess I have to settle for both.
I disagree. Lewis knew full well what he was saying to the media and the stewards when he said it. He has not since admitted he lied! He has simply said that he was told to lie and did so, blaming all of it on Dave Ryan and the 'team.' He has not apologized for telling a lie that could have gained him a podium finish. He knew full well what he was saying wasn't the truth and he should be a fuc*ing man and admit it! Anyone who goes along with the team in a lie and doesn't stop and refuse should have the book thrown at them! I have no respect for someone who would say such BS with a straight face and think it's perfectly fine to blame it all on everyone without saying 'I LIED KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY'. He is as much to blame as Dave Ryan and it's ludicrous that McLaren would fire Ryan and not severely punish Lewis as well. I was a big fan of McLaren in the Kimi days, but now they are really starting to wear on me.Spencifer_Murphy wrote:Oh I agree, but I doubt they've ever come across something as crazy as being advised to mislead the stewards.vall wrote:Although I have been very harsh to LH, I start to think that indeed McLaren is to blame most. However, I must say I was surprised how easily LH took the advice of McLaren to lie! I mean, these guys have been competing all their lives. They must have encountered unfair behaviors, decisions, etc, throughout their careers and they must be very sensitive to this, not matter which way it goes.
Actually, if it keeps getting brought up and a stiff punishment is brought dowm enough times it might, GASP, not happen again.majicmeow wrote:Guess what, IT HAPPENED!! Who cares anymore, get over it. Nothing you can say about it will change the fact that IT HAPPENED!!
He did not lie willingly, did you read the radio transmission?Ray wrote:I disagree. Lewis knew full well what he was saying to the media and the stewards when he said it. He has not since admitted he lied! He has simply said that he was told to lie and did so, blaming all of it on Dave Ryan and the 'team.' He has not apologized for telling a lie that could have gained him a podium finish. He knew full well what he was saying wasn't the truth and he should be a fuc*ing man and admit it! Anyone who goes along with the team in a lie and doesn't stop and refuse should have the book thrown at them! I have no respect for someone who would say such BS with a straight face and think it's perfectly fine to blame it all on everyone without saying 'I LIED KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY'. He is as much to blame as Dave Ryan and it's ludicrous that McLaren would fire Ryan and not severely punish Lewis as well. I was a big fan of McLaren in the Kimi days, but now they are really starting to wear on me.Spencifer_Murphy wrote:Oh I agree, but I doubt they've ever come across something as crazy as being advised to mislead the stewards.vall wrote:Although I have been very harsh to LH, I start to think that indeed McLaren is to blame most. However, I must say I was surprised how easily LH took the advice of McLaren to lie! I mean, these guys have been competing all their lives. They must have encountered unfair behaviors, decisions, etc, throughout their careers and they must be very sensitive to this, not matter which way it goes.
Keep your 'black man' bullshit out of this. It has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't think McLaren told him to lie simply of his nationality. That speaks alot about the person you are and how tainted your view of the situation is.n smikle wrote:He should have resisted them, but you know what happens when a black man resists his superiors.
Yes, he in fact did lie willingly. He chose to tell a lie even though he knew he shouldn't have said it. He said in an interview 'he was instructed to lie, and he chose to follow what his team told him to say.' If that isn't going along willingly, I don't know what is. I'd like to know what you consider lying? Being told to lie is one thing. Lying is another. And your example doesn't correlate in any way. One is to protect lives, one is to protect nothing but a finish in a motor race. If you lied after being instructed to, you still lied. Willingly.n smikle wrote:
He did not lie willingly, did you read the radio transmission?
He was instructed to lie by his superiors.
An example.
If you were a Prisoner of war and you were under interrogation by the enemy and you were Instructed by your commander to LIE to protect the mission. Would you tell the truth? NO! Same thing here.