Pre Qualifying for 2010

[ISLAMATRON]

I do see some plugs "IN" just to the left of the tires warmer racks... see em?

Those are clearly for cooling icecream for drivers and such. It's expected to be quite sunny tomorrow.

Maybe scarbs will let us know if there's any point in warming the tyres so early.

cooling Ice cream is never a waste of energy... they should make them mandatory... spec FIA ice cream coolers even!


Side note... I hope the officials of the race have taken care of the stray dog situation... would hate the stray dogs to get to the ice cream in the coolers.... especially if it is chocolate

[bjpower]

the teams will not try to get around this rule.

name one rule the teams didn't try to get around?
well mclaren - enough said
Honda tried to get around using the fuel as ballast
i believe they said they misinterpreted the rules!!

if they can get out with tires 10C warmer then the other guy, then they will.
any way they can get leg up on the other team they will.

that's f1, well any sport/business really

[FGD]

Getting back to our topic... Qualifying rules for 2010. Refueling has also been banned for 2010, correct? Anyone know or have ideas on how this will impact qualifying next year? Will teams have to run full tanks through just Q3 or throughout all qualifying sessions? I imagine this new rule could have a huge impact on set-up for qualifying versus race.

[ISLAMATRON]

the teams will not try to get around this rule.

name one rule the teams didn't try to get around?
well mclaren - enough said
Honda tried to get around using the fuel as ballast
i believe they said they misinterpreted the rules!!

if they can get out with tires 10C warmer then the other guy, then they will.
any way they can get leg up on the other team they will.

that's f1, well any sport/business really

and how will they get that 10C without warmers? even the whole Force India team eating curry and farting on the tires wouldnt get that done... you are putting to much into a very simple thing... the regulation are there already, read them... the best they can do is put them out into the sun to get some heat in them, but even them I dont think think they are allowed on pit lane until the lap the car is supposed to pit.

FGD: I think the regs call for low fuel Q3 next year, thankfully... if we have a next year, this will bring us back to situation when like Prost would practice the entire friday & saturday setting up the car for the race and just take the fuel out and see how well it would qual regardless.... and then there were drivers like Senna who prided themselves on sitting on pole... the biggest problem is that the cars are much more difficult to pass eah other now, but then again the field is much closer now as well.

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FGD: I think the regs call for low fuel Q3 next year, thankfully... if we have a next year, this will bring us back to situation when like Prost would practice the entire friday & saturday setting up the car for the race and just take the fuel out and see how well it would qual regardless.... and then there were drivers like Senna who prided themselves on sitting on pole... the biggest problem is that the cars are much more difficult to pass eah other now, but then again the field is much closer now as well.

Maybe Rosberg and Williams have been confusing us this year with their 2010 qualyfying testing. Perhaps all those efforts in P1 and P2 are actually an attempt to get a leg up on the rest of the field

[FGD]

FGD: I think the regs call for low fuel Q3 next year, thankfully... if we have a next year, this will bring us back to situation when like Prost would practice the entire friday & saturday setting up the car for the race and just take the fuel out and see how well it would qual regardless.... and then there were drivers like Senna who prided themselves on sitting on pole... the biggest problem is that the cars are much more difficult to pass eah other now, but then again the field is much closer now as well.

Maybe Rosberg and Williams have been confusing us this year with their 2010 qualyfying testing. Perhaps all those efforts in P1 and P2 are actually an attempt to get a leg up on the rest of the field

ISLAMATRON... Actually, I remember Prost once said he always set up for qualifying to ensure he started at or near the front and then took a bit of wing off the car for the race to ensure no one could get by on the straight. But I think he said this back in the turbo days when top speed meant more and when they had a boost button. Oh! We have KERS now!

[ISLAMATRON]

FGD: I think the regs call for low fuel Q3 next year, thankfully... if we have a next year, this will bring us back to situation when like Prost would practice the entire friday & saturday setting up the car for the race and just take the fuel out and see how well it would qual regardless.... and then there were drivers like Senna who prided themselves on sitting on pole... the biggest problem is that the cars are much more difficult to pass eah other now, but then again the field is much closer now as well.

Maybe Rosberg and Williams have been confusing us this year with their 2010 qualyfying testing. Perhaps all those efforts in P1 and P2 are actually an attempt to get a leg up on the rest of the field

ISLAMATRON... Actually, I remember Prost once said he always set up for qualifying to ensure he started at or near the front and then took a bit of wing off the car for the race to ensure no one could get by on the straight. But I think he said this back in the turbo days when top speed meant more and when they had a boost button. Oh! We have KERS now!

Interesting, it seems quite the opposite later on in his career, maybe he realized he couldnt beat Senna on pure speed so he changed his strategy.

[flynfrog]

the teams will not try to get around this rule.

name one rule the teams didn't try to get around?
well mclaren - enough said
Honda tried to get around using the fuel as ballast
i believe they said they misinterpreted the rules!!

if they can get out with tires 10C warmer then the other guy, then they will.
any way they can get leg up on the other team they will.

that's f1, well any sport/business really

and how will they get that 10C without warmers?

Heat the garage up,

surround the tires with IR lamps,

wheel heaters,
ect

[ISLAMATRON]

12.5.1
All tyres must be used as supplied by the manufacturer, any modification or treatment such as cutting, grooving, the application of solvents or softeners, the fitting of heat retaining devices or pre-heating is therefore prohibited. This applies to dry, intermediate and wet-weather tyres.

[flynfrog]

12.5.1
All tyres must be used as supplied by the manufacturer, any modification or treatment such as cutting, grooving, the application of solvents or softeners, the fitting of heat retaining devices or pre-heating is therefore prohibited. This applies to dry, intermediate and wet-weather tyres.

none of my ideas were tire warmers

the crew was getting cold so we turned up the heat in the garage.

these lights allow us to inspect the tires before the car goes out better than normal light

the wheels work better when warm

unless the wheel counts as a heat retainer then I guess teams will ahve to mount the tires up on the wheels already on the car.



face for every rule there are ways around it. You must have never raced in a spec class

[ISLAMATRON]

12.5.1
All tyres must be used as supplied by the manufacturer, any modification or treatment such as cutting, grooving, the application of solvents or softeners, the fitting of heat retaining devices or pre-heating is therefore prohibited. This applies to dry, intermediate and wet-weather tyres.

none of my ideas were tire warmers

the crew was getting cold so we turned up the heat in the garage.

these lights allow us to inspect the tires before the car goes out better than normal light

the wheels work better when warm

unless the wheel counts as a heat retainer then I guess teams will ahve to mount the tires up on the wheels already on the car.



face for every rule there are ways around it. You must have never raced in a spec class

do you not see the "or pre-heating"... if you compete by looking for crooked ways around the rules than that is only a reflection of your character.

I'm sure, just as there is a standard, rig and placement for the fuel so too will it be for the tires.

[flynfrog]

12.5.1
All tyres must be used as supplied by the manufacturer, any modification or treatment such as cutting, grooving, the application of solvents or softeners, the fitting of heat retaining devices or pre-heating is therefore prohibited. This applies to dry, intermediate and wet-weather tyres.

none of my ideas were tire warmers

the crew was getting cold so we turned up the heat in the garage.

these lights allow us to inspect the tires before the car goes out better than normal light

the wheels work better when warm

unless the wheel counts as a heat retainer then I guess teams will ahve to mount the tires up on the wheels already on the car.



face for every rule there are ways around it. You must have never raced in a spec class

do you not see the "or pre-heating"... if you compete by looking for crooked ways around the rules than that is only a reflection of your character.

I'm sure, just as there is a standard, rig and placement for the fuel so too will it be for the tires.

Have you seen F1.

Define pre heating? I see not regards to how much warmer they can be the ambient. Remember Fuel gate a while back? What if I simply leave them out in the sun.

If you want to attack my character go for it but I would hope you can find something a little better than finding the gray area for it.

[ISLAMATRON]

leave em out in the sun where? not allowed in the pit lane until the lap the car is gonna pit... how far you want the tires from the pit lane?

I understand there are all types of ways around the rules, but 10C more from ambient isnt gonna gain you much when optimal temp range for the tires is in the hundreds of degrees.

There are FIA delegates watching in every garage so they couldnt do anything too blatant anyway.

[flynfrog]

watch an indy race thats what they do

there is space behind the wall you know

[ISLAMATRON]

watch an indy race thats what they do

there is space behind the wall you know

and what wall are you talking about in F1?

I know very well what they do in AOW since I worked for a team at one point.