DNF. Imagine being on a podium place and then running pout of fuel on teh last lap. It used to happen a lot in the olden days.modbaraban wrote:I meant the 2010 situation where you can reach the pitstop but don't have enough fuel to finish the race unless you refuel
I believe some "masterminds" at the FIA might at some time pitched the idea of reducing race lengths, but mainly for the benefit of reduced-span-of-attention TV audiences, but there's obviously no technical need for that. May I remember that, in the 60 years of F1 history, refueling is a rather novel mandatory feature (last 15-20 years?) and I don't recall the race distances being changed ever (more educated members may correct me here).King Six wrote:I remember hearing on the BBC during Suzuka Friday practice that next years race distances could be reduced, I think but I'm not sure but it was a Bridgestone rep who was saying that.
You guys think that's a possibility, or even a necessity now that refuelling is to be banned. I hope not.
Again, it was not the FIA who suggested shortening the races, and again it was the teams who did so, specifically FOTA after they did their fan survey, one of the items they came forward with was the shortening of the races. I refer you to this thread...dumrick wrote:I believe some "masterminds" at the FIA might at some time pitched the idea of reducing race lengths, but mainly for the benefit of reduced-span-of-attention TV audiences, but there's obviously no technical need for that. May I remember that, in the 60 years of F1 history, refueling is a rather novel mandatory feature (last 15-20 years?) and I don't recall the race distances being changed ever (more educated members may correct me here).King Six wrote:I remember hearing on the BBC during Suzuka Friday practice that next years race distances could be reduced, I think but I'm not sure but it was a Bridgestone rep who was saying that.
You guys think that's a possibility, or even a necessity now that refuelling is to be banned. I hope not.
Thanks for clarifying, although my main goal was to point out that there can't be technical reasons behind shortening the races because of the ban on refueling, because that's mainly for technical discussions that this forum is for.ISLAMATRON wrote:Again, it was not the FIA who suggested shortening the races, and again it was the teams who did so, specifically FOTA after they did their fan survey, one of the items they came forward with was the shortening of the races. I refer you to this thread...dumrick wrote:I believe some "masterminds" at the FIA might at some time pitched the idea of reducing race lengths, but mainly for the benefit of reduced-span-of-attention TV audiences, but there's obviously no technical need for that. May I remember that, in the 60 years of F1 history, refueling is a rather novel mandatory feature (last 15-20 years?) and I don't recall the race distances being changed ever (more educated members may correct me here).King Six wrote:I remember hearing on the BBC during Suzuka Friday practice that next years race distances could be reduced, I think but I'm not sure but it was a Bridgestone rep who was saying that.
You guys think that's a possibility, or even a necessity now that refuelling is to be banned. I hope not.
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please read carefully and see all the stupid ideas put forward by FOTA that the FIA is blamed for.
I was just enjoying this thread because there was a very good objective discussion going on. And bang, a blimming ideologist has to start the trillionth FIA bashing argument. Bääääh! How lame is that?Astro1 wrote:LOL @ ISLAMATRON, you really are on a mission to protect the FIA. In every thread.
Look! In a sea of bad rules and artificial "show enhancement" you find two bad ideas that are not certain to have originated from the FIA and use it as a valid argument?
Please the FIA from day one have been the route of all evil in F1 slowly changing a sport into an "on the brink of being orchestrated" series.
Bogus rule interpretation to favor a favorite, bogus on track penalties, bogus court rulings, and then there is the most recent "orchestrated crash" that basically went unpunished and was brushed under the carpet.
The only positive things to come from them is that their commercial interests required them to increase safety which they did saving many.
Sorry but they have failed at just about everything else. And had they been so great, we wouldn't see CONSTANT rule changes all under an obviously false idea of "cost reduction".
No refueling no matter how's idea it is, is certainly not there to CUT COSTS, come on! Nascar uses an F'n bucket with a spigot! How much cheaper can it get. There seems to be NO REAL reason to have to refuel. Had they wanted they could have done it this year. There is no requirement to refuel. Why make it mandatory? If you want to save money don't refuel but don't cut the guy that wants to.
Again no matter how you want to look at it, it all boils down to equalization in the hunt for revenue.
Night races? Dumb Tilke tracks etc. etc. etc.
Please get REAL!
=D> =D> =D> =D>WhiteBlue wrote: I was just enjoying this thread because there was a very good objective discussion going on. And bang, a blimming ideologist has to start the trillionth FIA bashing argument. Bääääh! How lame is that?
Irony?WhiteBlue wrote: Shortening races is a big cheat scam invented by the FOTA big whigs. To hell with that!
I wondered that too... I mean, if it was a ten second stop-go penalty it'd be worth taking the penalty for sure to have a lighter fuel load.modbaraban wrote:I meant the 2010 situation where you can reach the pitstop but don't have enough fuel to finish the race unless you refuel
Yes, tyre degredation will be critical. The factors you cite improve the racing in my mind. That's because sensitive handling of the cars will be more critical.Rob W wrote: I for one think this no-refuelling thing will cause more problems than it aims to solve. Especially I think it'll mean more races are ruined by people not being able to manage the tires with a car which is miles heavier than it has been for years - compounded by no tire warmers thing.. People will be flat spotting their tires early in the race and ruining their day.
Likewise, brakes will be a major issue with the extra weight imo. Moreso than most think.