2010 Strategies

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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:05 pm

sauber seems to be the team with the best tyre conservation ,according to Bridgestone.
Interestingly Bridgestone went as far as saying it stood out compared to the rest and especially the big 4 ,holding a considerable advantage in their hands.
so it was suggested Sauber was the team ,being able to gamble on using option tyres
at the start of the race and able to run stint lengths as they like ,whereas others
have to fight considerable dropoff in their option tyre use....
surprise ,surprise..
what about the first time in history a BMW wins a race with Ferrari power.. :lol: :lol:
Sauber could make history..
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:53 pm

I'm unclear .. is it legal to do just one stop, or are two stops mandated?

I expect lots of running on every Friday as teams shake out tire longevity performance more than ever before.

I would also expect that someone will regularly try to start on softs. Keep in mind that the softs will have been scrubbed in, which with most compounds, toughens the compound and provides a better wear scenario. It wouldn't surprise me to see "scrubs" used even when they have to go on softs in the race, precisely for this same reason (provided that's legal).

Lots of this speculation is so variable because Bridgestone still has 4 compounds for the season (though it seems they may not be the same as last year's four compounds).

Does anyone know if the FIA will once again mandate the tire compounds be "gapped" like last year?
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:42 pm

BreezyRacer wrote:Lots of this speculation is so variable because Bridgestone still has 4 compounds for the season (though it seems they may not be the same as last year's four compounds).

Does anyone know if the FIA will once again mandate the tire compounds be "gapped" like last year?


yes - gapped

http://www.autosport.com/subs/login.php?r=http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81304&type=news&id=81304

and definitely different compounds to last year

"with a definite improvement from last season's tyres"

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/3/10467.html
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:57 pm

any speculation on how teams may opt to adjust rideheight?
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:46 pm

we went through this a few weeks back ina separte thread ...
the interesting bit is .
It will affect mainly the lower speeds as the higher speed Rideheight is dominated by the downforce generated ....so it is a certain part of the aeromap that is mainly affected by the bigger mass ...
I´m still of the opinion that four hydraulic cylinders would do the trick ...like hydraulic tappets...you fill them up put the car on the wheels and the bleeding process starts and lowers the car.with this you could start the race with additional
say 4mm increased rideheight and the bleed just lowers the car over say 30 minutes to the qualy ride height .So as the fuel burns off the car lowers itself versus time.
not active ,not adjustable ,just a build in slow sag...the car will degrade one could say..no adjustments necessary .could be integrated into the pushrod ends as well..would anyone give away this trick? you could not spot this easily .
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:04 pm

Bahrain since it's mostly just hard breaking believe it or not is not too hard on tires. Tracks that are hard on tires tend to be green, or tracks with high speed turns, like Barcelona, Istanbul, or Albert Park.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:19 pm

marcush. wrote:we went through this a few weeks back ina separte thread ...
the interesting bit is .
It will affect mainly the lower speeds as the higher speed Rideheight is dominated by the downforce generated ....so it is a certain part of the aeromap that is mainly affected by the bigger mass ...
I´m still of the opinion that four hydraulic cylinders would do the trick ...like hydraulic tappets...you fill them up put the car on the wheels and the bleeding process starts and lowers the car.with this you could start the race with additional
say 4mm increased rideheight and the bleed just lowers the car over say 30 minutes to the qualy ride height .So as the fuel burns off the car lowers itself versus time.
not active ,not adjustable ,just a build in slow sag...the car will degrade one could say..no adjustments necessary .could be integrated into the pushrod ends as well..would anyone give away this trick? you could not spot this easily .


interesting, they can probably do with 2 though, just do it on the 3rd element linkage...
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:37 pm

RacingManiac wrote:
marcush. wrote:we went through this a few weeks back ina separte thread ...
the interesting bit is .
It will affect mainly the lower speeds as the higher speed Rideheight is dominated by the downforce generated ....so it is a certain part of the aeromap that is mainly affected by the bigger mass ...
I´m still of the opinion that four hydraulic cylinders would do the trick ...like hydraulic tappets...you fill them up put the car on the wheels and the bleeding process starts and lowers the car.with this you could start the race with additional
say 4mm increased rideheight and the bleed just lowers the car over say 30 minutes to the qualy ride height .So as the fuel burns off the car lowers itself versus time.
not active ,not adjustable ,just a build in slow sag...the car will degrade one could say..no adjustments necessary .could be integrated into the pushrod ends as well..would anyone give away this trick? you could not spot this easily .


interesting, they can probably do with 2 though, just do it on the 3rd element linkage...


this is not the same, as it changes bellcrank angles ...but in principle this is an option of course.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:43 pm

marcush. wrote:
RacingManiac wrote:
marcush. wrote:we went through this a few weeks back ina separte thread ...
the interesting bit is .
It will affect mainly the lower speeds as the higher speed Rideheight is dominated by the downforce generated ....so it is a certain part of the aeromap that is mainly affected by the bigger mass ...
I´m still of the opinion that four hydraulic cylinders would do the trick ...like hydraulic tappets...you fill them up put the car on the wheels and the bleeding process starts and lowers the car.with this you could start the race with additional
say 4mm increased rideheight and the bleed just lowers the car over say 30 minutes to the qualy ride height .So as the fuel burns off the car lowers itself versus time.
not active ,not adjustable ,just a build in slow sag...the car will degrade one could say..no adjustments necessary .could be integrated into the pushrod ends as well..would anyone give away this trick? you could not spot this easily .


interesting, they can probably do with 2 though, just do it on the 3rd element linkage...


this is not the same, as it changes bellcrank angles ...but in principle this is an option of course.



Just my un-educated thought here, but wouldn't a system relying on a simple slow bleed be likely to cause problems in the event of a safety car?

In other words, lets say the car is DESIGNED to drop by 0.1 mm every minute to accomodate the fuel burnt off in that minute, but if a prolonged safety car situation crops up, fuel consumption will go down dramatically, meaning that the skidblock is perilously close to scraping itself on the ground?

Like I said, just my thoughts....
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:33 pm

ever seen a red-bull replay, you hear the car scraping on every high speed turn

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Post Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:18 pm

marcush. wrote:... Really I think the reality will be more like H-H-S and not much you can do about it in terms of strategy. I would question the possibility for the smooth drivers to be quick enough plus get away with one pitstop less but this may depend on circumstances and track conditions.


Melburne went quite different to this prognosis.
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Post Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:01 pm

WhiteBlue wrote:
marcush. wrote:... Really I think the reality will be more like H-H-S and not much you can do about it in terms of strategy. I would question the possibility for the smooth drivers to be quick enough plus get away with one pitstop less but this may depend on circumstances and track conditions.


Melburne went quite different to this prognosis.


:---)

I looked for a smiley eating his hat or a firesuit ...but the pinocchio does fit just as good....

Nothing to add really...
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