Has Alonso learned to be a team player?

[Just_a_fan]

Wasn't Alonso, like Piquet, given immunity during the whole crash episode? Only Renault, Flav and Symonds were investigated, charged and punished (or not, in the case of Renault - a suspended ban isn't much of a htreat in that situation).

[jon-mullen]

As regards Fernando Alonso, the World Motor Sport Council thanks him for cooperating with the FIA’s enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concludes that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1’s breach of the regulations.

[Ashley]

THE EVER COMPLAINING GUY (THAT'S HOW I CALL HIM).
This guy is so simple to understand, his only concern is himself and nothing else not even his team.

[vall]

THE EVER COMPLAINING GUY (THAT'S HOW I CALL HIM).
This guy is so simple to understand, his only concern is himself and nothing else not even his team.

ha-ha

[jon-mullen]

CdS: How does one win a Championship?

FA: Starting from the car, with good planning. Then there’s the development, although with the limitations we have fantasy is restricted. To win now you also need some luck. It’s important that not just a details works, but a whole lot of things.

CdS: The driver doesn’t count?

FA: It’s all about the team: how you work at the Works and then at the track. I think the one who drives has a low percentage, but the driver has to be up to the performance and consistent. It’s not important giving 100% from time to time, but always and under any circumstances 98%.

[vall]

CdS: How does one win a Championship?

FA: Starting from the car, with good planning. Then there’s the development, although with the limitations we have fantasy is restricted. To win now you also need some luck. It’s important that not just a details works, but a whole lot of things.

CdS: The driver doesn’t count?

FA: It’s all about the team: how you work at the Works and then at the track. I think the one who drives has a low percentage, but the driver has to be up to the performance and consistent. It’s not important giving 100% from time to time, but always and under any circumstances 98%.

yeah, Alonso is well aware and made it clear that large fraction of the success in F1 is due to the car and the team. He said not once that he considers himself lucky that for some years he sat in a car that enable him to fight for the WDC, while other drivers never get this chance. Because of this, those drivers have different goals but I never heard Alonso calling them "monkeys on the back", "back-makers", etc. Alonso spent some years in bad cars fighting his way to the top and know how does it feel. Conclusion: IMO Alonso is a very humble person, he thinks he is the best, but on the other hand knows very well that his success was 90% due to him being in a top car. You may compare his statement with those of other drivers (one in particular that many consider arrogant ) and see the dirrerence

[lebesset]

a humble person thinking he is the best is an oxymoron

[Miguel]

a humble person thinking he is the best is an oxymoron

I don't think so. If there is evidence he might be the best, and as long as he keeps working hard and treating everybody with the utmost respect, and as long as that person reckons that being the best at doing something does not entitle him to other special benefits, he may still be humble.

[nipo]

Despite disliking him so much, I admit he's done a really good job so far...

In his own words: "...we had two engine problems, one gearbox problem, one jumped start and some chaotic races and we are three points behind the leaders, so we are happy."

He (as well as Hamilton) ploughed through the field as if he was driving a 300km/h bulldozer or something.

That's said, I'm thinking we'll be hearing some stuff from Massa in a few races.

[ISLAMATRON]

I thought I'd make this the official Alonso bashing thread in the same vein as the "Is Hamilton desperate" thread.


Just to put Alonso's Monaco drive in proper perspective... So many are saying it was a great drive 1) because he "passed" so many cars and 2) BECAUSE HE made the tires last so long.

well 1) he didnt pass any cars that were on the grid last year on the track...

and 2)(because this is F1TECHNICAL lets look at is so called "masterfull tire usage"

First thing that everyone praising Alonso's tire usage is forgetting is that Monaco is the SHORTEST race of the year distance wise 260km... special dispensation for Monaco since it is so SLOW... at least 40KM shorter or about 15%.

So 77 laps at Monaco would be about 55 laps in spain, pretty much what everyone did onthe harder spec tires last race, give or take

Secondly how much of that was behind the SC? at least 10 of those laps

So in conclusion, Alonso is a chump and didnt do anything that special this weekend...except for crash the car right before the race.

Good job by the crew to build up a new chassis though in great time and have it be reliable... those cheaters

[mx_tifoso]

... those cheaters

That's great icing on your sour cake.

[flynfrog]

I thought I'd make this the official Alonso bashing thread in the same vein as the "Is Hamilton desperate" thread.


Just to put Alonso's Monaco drive in proper perspective... So many are saying it was a great drive 1) because he "passed" so many cars and 2) BECAUSE HE made the tires last so long.

well 1) he didnt pass any cars that were on the grid last year on the track...

and 2)(because this is F1TECHNICAL lets look at is so called "masterfull tire usage"

First thing that everyone praising Alonso's tire usage is forgetting is that Monaco is the SHORTEST race of the year distance wise 260km... special dispensation for Monaco since it is so SLOW... at least 40KM shorter or about 15%.

So 77 laps at Monaco would be about 55 laps in spain, pretty much what everyone did onthe harder spec tires last race, give or take

Secondly how much of that was behind the SC? at least 10 of those laps

So in conclusion, Alonso is a chump and didnt do anything that special this weekend...except for crash the car right before the race.

Good job by the crew to build up a new chassis though in great time and have it be reliable... those cheaters

and yet the Hoss was able to maintain position much better than passing cars.

If we are going to have a troll thread why not.

[andrew]

All of the passing this year has been by drivers in fast cars who have started at the back so in that respect Alonsos passing was good. It was much like Hamilton starting at the back in Malaysia. He made up places by passing cars that were much slower.

And as for cheaters? Alonso apparently started in a spare car according to the BBC Radio 5 commentary though I only heard this mentioned once.

[gibells]

... those cheaters

Dude, I happen to agree with everything else you say, but you're just discrediting yourself every time you make those statements. We all know what you think, and aside from the last couple of words, that was a fairly good argument. I'm sure you'd p/ss a lot less of us off if you edit before you submit.

[andrew]

Good job by the crew to build up a new chassis though in great time and have it be reliable... those cheaters

Yes they were obviously cheating although there is nothing illegal in them bolting bits to a spare chassis.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/159868/1/alonso_chassis_a_write-off_as_ferrari_push_for_spare_car_return.html