107% Rule

[Ciro Pabón]

However, FIA (or better yet, Jean Todt) seems very reasonable about the idea.

"Now to change that for 2010 you need to have the unanimous agreement of the teams, and to get the unanimous agreement of the teams the FIA will be supporting this solution. I don't think it will happen so we have to wait until 2011 to introduce it." -- Jean Todt, quoted by jddh1 --

So, fat chance. The backmarker team outside 107% (HRT, as far as I know) will oppose. You cannot change regulations at mid-season without total agreement. Duh.

[monkeyboy1976]

However, FIA (or better yet, Jean Todt) seems very reasonable about the idea.

"Now to change that for 2010 you need to have the unanimous agreement of the teams, and to get the unanimous agreement of the teams the FIA will be supporting this solution. I don't think it will happen so we have to wait until 2011 to introduce it." -- Jean Todt, quoted by jddh1 --

So, fat chance. The backmarker team outside 107% (HRT, as far as I know) will oppose. You cannot change regulations at mid-season without total agreement. Duh.

I think HRT would be mad to race at the moment. to be lapped every 10 laps and most likely cause chaos amongst the pack coming through will do them no favours. Best to use the weekends between now and Europe season as pure test seesions and duck out of quali and races.

[hasalard]

A good article i think worth to read
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/03/n ... rack-with/

[Confused_Andy]

I wouldn't worry about the new teams clogging up the track, they'll all probablly fall to pieces or konk out due to hydraulics before the second lap.

[Tomba]

107 per cent rule returns for 2011

The 107 per cent rule will return to Formula 1 qualifying sessions in 2011, the FIA World Motor Sport Council announced on Wednesday.

With such late response for 2011 grid tender it is very unfair to 13-nth team.

[ISLAMATRON]

Word.... and how would it work?

would be compared to the Q1 time that they were in or the pole sitters Q3 time in the session that they did not compete in?

What if the track is wet/damp in Q1 but dried out by Q3, then everyone out in Q1 is not within 107%, 20 car grid maybe?

adding two new cars is not enough to make this a needed rule

[ISLAMATRON]

some questions answered

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84691

[feynman]

Hmmm, so 107% of the Q1 time, the session that the fast cars don't much worry about and just set a moderate banker lap, I don't see how that changes much of anything.
Last race - everyone that had an operational gearbox in the car was already easily well inside 107% ... and that still didn't stop Luca whining via press-release.

Maximum times for in and out laps surely mean that any lattitude for the slow cars to move off line or to slow and wait for some fast cars to pass because a tight bit of track is upcoming, all that evaporates. Hog the line and do the FIA time.

So at best this is pretty meaningless stuff. Slow cars ontrack during all 4 hours of practice (with far greater speed differntials than 7%), they don't compete in Q2 or Q3 anyway, so it doesn't matter there, and if you can cobble together a GP2 chassis, apparently you're pretty much inside 107% anyway.

It just seems like more "something must be done", 107% is something.

... And a slightly stubborn whiff of the closed-shop about all this; regulated self-protection for established teams, fresh-faced interlopers trying to make their way in the world, they can all go dangle, no TV time for you.

That means no sponsor dollars, means the car doesn't get faster, doesn't finish the season, all of which doesn't sound that fair, especially to any new team with probably zero testing.

[mkw0101]

No one in life a person can push over a 100%. It is entirely impossible and the race stewards will pick on slow cars. Why not just let the rule stand at 100%.

[lebesset]

?????

[ecapox]

Umm...if they do 100% of the top driver, that means that they have to also do the same time as the top driver. This is really meant to be that they will have to be withing 7% EXTRA of the top time.

[ISLAMATRON]

No one in life a person can push over a 100%. It is entirely impossible and the race stewards will pick on slow cars. Why not just let the rule stand at 100%.

You really dont help to dispel any of the polish stereotypes do you?

[Mystery Steve]

If they're concerned about having slower cars on the track during a GP, and they also want to have a full 13 team grid in the future, then why don't they implement a system where if they don't qualify within 107% then they do not race, but they are allowed to have an FIA-supervised test session (that is the same length of the GP they miss, approx 300 km) at an authorized track during the following offseason instead?

Let's face it, the only thing the bottom three teams are doing during the race right now is testing anyway. New teams are going to be off pace by the nature of the sport, and at the very least they should have the opportunity to be able to catch up. If the safer, more entertaining, way to do that is using private test sessions then so be it. Maybe you could implement a maximum accumulation of 1500 km (about 5 GPs) or 1000 km (about 3 GPs) or something to prevent teams from purposely tanking and taking nearly unlimited testing.

Just thinking out loud here but it seems like a fair compromise between not having unreasonable slow cars impeding on the quicker cars, but still allowing the new teams to have practice time during which to get better.

[Pup]

Sounds sensible, though would better teams who get caught out due to rain or mechanical problems receive a similar reward?

And could the smaller teams even afford the testing?

[marcush.]

I think new teams should be allowed unlimited whatever they do as long as they stick to the budget cap.
It is rather obvious the wall is steep too steep to climb up at the required speed with all those restrictions in place.
You get an allowance of say a maximum of 2 years to catch up ,ending it with :regular jump into Q2 say 4 races in succession?

I would say 107% then is to big a margin and I would genereally count the 107%rule for all sessions of the weekend .so if a team/driver combo is on the pace at the end of any session it is enough to prove they are good enough.