Remove Power Steering from the Cars??

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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:55 pm

Belatti wrote:In TC, there is no power steering. The president of the ACTC said: "this series is for machos". :lol:

We can always grow muscle, right Belatti?
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sebbe
 
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:59 pm

Edis wrote:Racing is also about driver skill, not about who has the most physical strength.

Well, if you are REALLY skilled, then you will use your strength wisely an in accordance to the track.
Or you can be an average Nelsinho and train with fake pedals and steering wheels on your big *ss sofa in your living room.
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sebbe
 
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:04 pm

Belatti wrote:In TC, there is no power steering. The president of the ACTC said: "this series is for machos". :lol:


Used to be like that in Sweden too, but that's a long time ago, when men were men and women were stupid.
They are still, make no mistake about that, but now we have to do all this pretending to get laid.
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xpensive
 
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:10 pm

sebbe wrote:
Edis wrote:Racing is also about driver skill, not about who has the most physical strength.

Well, if you are REALLY skilled, then you will use your strength wisely an in accordance to the track.
Or you can be an average Nelsinho and train with fake pedals and steering wheels on your big *ss sofa in your living room.



Set your logitech momo max force feedback, and it's hard to steer.

Not saying that Nelson is smart training at home, but try a modern sim you might be surprised.

Felipe Massa had never driven without TC, and suffered when they swtiched. Does it make him a bad driver?
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Giblet
 
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Post Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:35 pm

Giblet wrote:Set your logitech momo max force feedback, and it's hard to steer.


aw come on!

Fangio used to drive the teams trucks to the circuit -trucks with no PS- so he worked out his arms.

The first time I drove a racing kart I did 12 laps in a row. No problems. My cousin has bigger (I guess stronger) arms than me, but after 6 laps his arms where shaking and he stopped, tired. If you are smooth and grip the steering wheel lightly you dont have to do much force.

However, I dont know how hard its to steer a F1 car. It must be hard: too much downforce, a little steering wheel, not much place to move your arms that are already far from your body...
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Belatti
 
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Post Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:24 pm

Belatti wrote:
Giblet wrote:Set your logitech momo max force feedback, and it's hard to steer.


aw come on!

Fangio used to drive the teams trucks to the circuit -trucks with no PS- so he worked out his arms.

The first time I drove a racing kart I did 12 laps in a row. No problems. My cousin has bigger (I guess stronger) arms than me, but after 6 laps his arms where shaking and he stopped, tired. If you are smooth and grip the steering wheel lightly you dont have to do much force.

However, I dont know how hard its to steer a F1 car. It must be hard: too much downforce, a little steering wheel, not much place to move your arms that are already far from your body...


I agree wheel/seat placement is so different nowadays. I'd wager Fangio steered the car more with his waist than his arms hehe.
Not sure what would be gained by removing power steering, personally i don't like ps, but then again i don't know how good the systems used in F1 cars are.
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alelanza
 
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Post Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:49 pm

The power steering for street car will be so much different to the racing cars that it'll be moot point to compare. Since you are not building a car for moms to drive around grocery store parking lot at 5mph, and most of the road car driver will not notice a difference in the quality of the feedback where as they will notice they feel tired when the wheel is heavy....
RacingManiac
 
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Post Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:10 pm

I would really like to see manual gear changes back, I think it would deffinitally cause more driver errors and make Formula One cars more 'car' like.

I'd love to see drivers using two hands independently again...How would Coulthard be able to make rude gestures if he had one hand on the wheel and one hand on the gearstick??

Maybe it could be an FIA imposed anti-swearing device.
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