2010, Under the old points system

[ESPImperium]

Heres how the teams would look like as well:

McLaren-Mercedes 114
Mercedes GP 48
Red Bull-Renault 99
Scuderia Ferrari 65
Williams F1 10
Renault F1 35
Force India-Mercedes 13
STR-Ferarri 1
Lotus Cosworth 0
Hispania-Cosworth 0
BMW Sauber-Ferrari 5
Virgin Cosworth 0

[raymondu999]

IF the result stands as it is, here are the standings after Hockenheim:

Hamilton - 65
Button - 58
Vettel - 55
Webber - 53
Alonso - 49
Kubica - 35
Massa - 34
Rosberg - 32
Schumacher - 13
Sutil - 11
Barichello - 10
Kobayashi - 5
Liuzzi - 2
Petrov - 2
Buemi - 1

The main change is just Vettel who is in 3rd. Currently Vettel/Webber are in joint 3rd, but Webber is ahead by default, as he has more wins.

I will update this if the Hockenheim race results change.

[senna-toleman]

I just divided the new points by 2.5 to convert 25 for a win to the old 10 points

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           old      new
           points   points
Hamilton   - 65     - 62.8
Button     - 58     - 57.2
Vettel     - 55     - 54.4
Webber     - 53     - 54.4
Alonso     - 49     - 49.2
Kubica     - 35     - 35.6
Massa      - 34     - 34.0
Rosberg    - 32     - 37.6
Schumacher - 13     - 15.2
Sutil      - 11     - 14.0
Barichello - 10     - 11.6
Kobayashi  - 05     - 
Liuzzi     - 02     - 04.8
Petrov     - 02     - 02.8

The new points system is pretty much identical to the old in terms of the RELATIVE difference between the points for 1st 2nd 3rd etc. The only novelty is extending the points scoring positions down to 10th place. It did suprise me when drivers like Jenson Button commented on how much difference they thought the new points system would make at the start of the season. May be drivers don't concern themselves with it until the sharp end of the season, when the mathematical permutations come in to play.

Could someone identify why Rosberg is so much worse off under the old system. Is it all the 5th, 6th and 7th places he's had that get more points (relatively) in the new system?

[raymondu999]

Given Hockenheim stands, (I will update if there are penalties for Hockenheim), after Hungaroring they are:

Hamilton - 65
Webber - 63
Vettel - 61
Button - 59
Alonso - 52
Massa - 39
Kubica - 35
Rosberg - 32
Schumacher - 13
Sutil - 11
Barichello - 10
Petrov - 6
Kobayashi - 5
Hulkenberg - 3
Dela Rosa - 2
Liuzzi - 2
Buemi - 1

Interestingly, Webber, despite having 4 wins to Hamilton's 2, will still NOT be ahead of Lewis!! Vettel will also have overtaken Button in the standings. McLaren and Red Bull, in fact, will be TIED in the constructors.

[Michiba]

That's because the current points system as designed to benefit winners and podium finishes.

[paipa]

That's because the current points system as designed to benefit winners and podium finishes.

Compared to the old system, what it really does is simply disadvantage second place finishers. If you normalize awarded points (ie. divide by 2.5) nothing has changed except for receiving less for a 2nd.

Hamilton finished second 3 times, Webber just once. That's why Webber is leading now and wouldn't be leading under the old system.

[ESPImperium]

Heres how it would be after Hungary:

Lewis Hamilton 65
Mark Webber 63
Sebastian Vettel 61
Jenson Button 59
Fernando Alonso 57
Felipe Massa 39
Nico Rosberg 36
Robert Kubica 35
Michael Schumacher 13
Adrian Sutil 11
Rubens Barrichello 10
Vitaly Petrov 6
Kamui Kobayashi 5
Pedro De La Rosa 2
Vitantonio Liuzzi 2
Sébastien Buemi 1
Jaime Alguersuari 0

*De La Rosa ahead of Liuzzi on a higher placed finish only.

Thats for all the points scorers at present.

Teams

Red Bull-Renault 124
McLaren-Mercedes 124
Scuderia Ferrari 96
Mercedes GP 49
Renault F1 41
Force India-Mercedes 13
Williams F1 13
BMW Sauber-Ferrari 7
STR-Ferarri 1
Lotus Cosworth 0
Hispania-Cosworth 0
Virgin Cosworth 0

* Red Bull ahead of McLaren on 5 wins to 4.

And something ive been tracking as well, and looks weird, but engines:

Mercedes FO108X 186
Renault RS27-2010 165
Ferarri 056 104
Cosworth CA2010 13

[raymondu999]

Actually I did the drivers' math already

As for constructors, Red Bull has 6 wins and not 5 (4 for Webber 2 for Seb)

[raymondu999]

Right. time for an update.

Drivers: (Note that these still include the provisional Hockenheim standings, will update if there are any changes after Sept. 8th)


Lewis Hamilton 75
Mark Webber 71
Sebastian Vettel 61
Jenson Button 59
Fernando Alonso 57
Felipe Massa 44
Robert Kubica 41
Nico Rosberg 39
Michael Schumacher 15
Adrian Sutil 15
Rubens Barrichello 10
Vitaly Petrov 6
Kamui Kobayashi 6
Pedro De La Rosa 2
Vitantonio Liuzzi 2
Sébastien Buemi 1
Jaime Alguersuari 0

[Giblet]

[quote="raymondu999"]Right. time for an update.

Drivers: (Note that these still include the provisional Hockenheim standings, will update if there are any changes after Sept. 8th)


Lewis Hamilton 75
Mark Webber 71
Sebastian Vettel 61
Jenson Button 59
Fernando Alonso 57
Felipe Massa 44
Robert Kubica 41
Nico Rosberg 39
Michael Schumacher 15
Adrian Sutil 15
Rubens Barrichello 10
Vitaly Petrov 6
Kamui Kobayashi 6
Pedro De La Rosa 2
Vitantonio Liuzzi 2
Sébastien Buemi 1
Jaime Alguersuari 0

And for comparison sake

Lewis Hamilton 182
Mark Webber 179
Sebastian Vettel 151
Jenson Button 147
Fernando Alonso 141
Felipe Massa 109
Robert Kubica 104
Nico Rosberg 102
Adrian Sutil 45
Michael Schumacher 44
Rubens Barrichello 30
Kamui Kobayashi 21
Vitaly Petrov 19
Vitantonio Liuzzi 12
Nico Hulkenberg 10
Sebastien Buemi 7
Pedro de la Rosa 6
Jaime Alguersuari 4
Heikki Kovalainen 0
Karun Chandhok 0
Lucas di Grassi 0
Jarno Trulli 0
Bruno Senna 0
Timo Glock 0
Sakon Yamamoto 0

[raymondu999]

Despite all the hoohaa about the new points system spreading out the points more, the difference between 1st and 2nd is 3 points vs 4 now, and in old money Seb is really just 1 win behind Mark.

[mike]

1 points in 2009 is worth like 4 in 2010 (1 8th place finish)
in 2009 you would have needed 4 8th place finishes to achieve the same result

in regards to webber and vettel 4 wins vs 2 wins, the new points system were meant to give the person with the greater amount of wins a better chance in the championship???

[raymondu999]

Not true. The new points system doesn't reward winners. It punishes 2nd place

[WilliamsF1]

The current points system rewards consistancy but drivers do loose out big when they have a DNF. F1 should go back to the old championship format which existed till 1990 where only the best 70% of the drivers results were considered for the WDC.

I think this would help a closer championship when more than 2 drivers are in the running.

[Lurk]

It could be great but engine and gearbox penalty would become pretty useless...