Strange going-ons at Red Bull

[andrew]

In-fighting will be a distraction and will divert them from winning both championships. Drivers working independantly is maybe fine early in the season but a leading team like Red Bulll has to look long teerms and think about the championship.

As for Barrichello, he is all mouth. He signs to join a team who has a driver like Schumacher who at the time was widely considered the best. What on earth does he expect? Ferrari were correct to keep him as the number 2 as he was never realisticly going to be a champion, although the team didn't exactly cover themselves in glory at times and embarrassd their drivers. Never seen Massa complain though.

I think you are looking at things far to simply. Red Bull sort their drivers out, and stop the public mouthing off of their drviers and they will move forward.

[andrew]

I do not see how an official number one and number two driver can be established at red bull.
Neither driver is displaying what is needed on or off track for number one status.
In fact both are responsible for losing the team valuable points.
Without the genius of Newey, the team would be well down the standings.
Team management needs to be improved and I do hope that Mark is not listening to that criminal Briatore, that would seal his fate and that of the team.
Horner is the one who needs to change his attitude. I do think he is good at his job in regard to handling the media and other outside forces. It is the way he appears to be dealing with the internal matters that need more focus.
He and the drivers should fully confront all the negative issues and deal with them. This should be Horners job and nobody elses.

Very true but at the moment the Red Bull house seems to be in disorder, unless this is all a huge Red Bull PR exercise to distract from their trick suspension - anyone remember that?

Horner needs to grow a pair and set both drivers straight and bring their fued to a close.

[ESPImperium]

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/07/ ... ll-racing/

This article seems to suggest that Marko is the Red Bull man. He has axed Hartley from the Junior team for Jean Eric Vergne, with a weird twist that Hartley has been doing most of the RB7 development work in the simulator.

Yes Hartley has been weak against Riccardo in WSBR this year, but he has been credible, posibly reaching a plateux in his learning before a posible strong year in 2011 in WSBR.

I know that after reading DCs autobiography, Marko is a shifty person to the opint of almost being dis-trustful was the impression he gave me. I think that he thinks that Horner and Webber should be moved on for a more "Austrian" and "younger" flavour to the team. I think if Marko had his way, he would have seen Webber move to either Ferarri or Renault for 2011 with them picking up either Buemi or Alguersauri for one year before installing Riccardo in the Red Bull #2 seat. I also think he would like to see Horner moved on to pastures new for Franz Tost to take over the "Team Principles" role, lets call it Team or Department Management in Markos eyes.

If this did happen, the teams that scored Webber and Horner for relevant posistions would be boasting about them being with them. As for Hartley, i have a feeling that his services will not go unwanted for long, as with all that RB7 experience under his belt, albeit in the simulator, he could end up with a job at another team in F1 very shortly, McLaren would be really happy with his services im sure.

[Mysticf1]

no doubt the latest piece of information to come from "a redbull senior engineer" most likely originated from Vettels side of the garage. A cheeky attempt to destabilize Webber for this weekends gp.

The team is a mess!!

[forty-two]

The team is a mess!!

Indeed!

Not very Sporting or Gentlemanly is it?

[andrew]

I think the team management is maybe too relaxed and too keen on keeping both drivers happy. Now that the time came to make a decision that is bound to annoy one of the drivers it has completely blown-up in their faces.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Its a mess because things have happened this year that no one expected.
Principally amongst this is Mark Webber beating Vettel. Challenge fair enough, but beat? No one had that down at Red Bull methinks.

Now that we are in this situation, Red Bull are issuing PR statments faster than a contraception clinic does condoms in Essex.
The more they issue, the greater the portrayal of desperation.

Brilliant car, a great aerodynamicist, 2 quick drivers and a management that really are being found at in this sport.

[WilliamsF1]

Its a mess because things have happened this year that no one expected.
Principally amongst this is Mark Webber beating Vettel. Challenge fair enough, but beat? No one had that down at Red Bull methinks.

Now that we are in this situation, Red Bull are issuing PR statments faster than a contraception clinic does condoms in Essex.
The more they issue, the greater the portrayal of desperation.

Brilliant car, a great aerodynamicist, 2 quick drivers and a management that really are being found at in this sport.

MW has not surprised RBR with his performance this year, it is similar to last year the reason for the mess is SV has been unlucky in 2 races at the begining of the year where he should have won.


RBR also did not expect MW to be PR disaster that he has been over the last few weeks

[WilliamsF1]

no doubt the latest piece of information to come from "a redbull senior engineer" most likely originated from Vettels side of the garage. A cheeky attempt to destabilize Webber for this weekends gp.

The team is a mess!!

Pls do not speculate on imaginary divisions in RBR team.... no management will put up with it however gullible they may be.

[Mysticf1]

then who leaked the information and for what purpose?

[myurr]

Pls do not speculate on imaginary divisions in RBR team.... no management will put up with it however gullible they may be.

Then why are Red Bull's management still briefing against one of their drivers even after the 'clear the air' talks: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/07/marko-where-would-webber-be-without-red-bull/

[WhiteBlue]

Then why are Red Bull's management still briefing against one of their drivers even after the 'clear the air' talks

Peddling your opinion again? What is new about it?

Red Bull are giving both drivers equal preference for a WDC and the man who ownes the team has pledged that to the world. Naturally some poor souls will always only listen to sources which confirm their own preconceptions. Nothing wrong with it. It's the way of the world. Smart people will see through it.

Red Bull are not briefing against one of their drivers. One of their drivers is a bit paranoid or thought that manipulating the public into thinking there was favoritism would give him the edge. It turned out he was briefly successful because the world is full of fools. It will not happen another time IMO. So it is high time that we return to business as usual regarding Red Bull. Let them do their job and if you feel you need to judge them listen at least to both sides of the debate.

[andrew]

Webber is off his high horse.

http://www.forumula1.net/2010/f1/f1-news/webber-in-wing-gate-climbdown/

[Mysticf1]

WB can you explain the latest revelations from the so called senior redbull engineer amidst talk of keeping talk within the team? Seems rather contradictory to me.

[myurr]

Then why are Red Bull's management still briefing against one of their drivers even after the 'clear the air' talks

Peddling your opinion again? What is new about it?

Errr... ditto. And do the following comments from Marko come across as being for the good of the team, constructive, etc. Do you think they are aimed at keeping the peace? You still haven't criticised him for making those comments.

Mark is having a great season, and has also improved big time, but he should not forget that he owes much of this to the team. Where was he two years ago?

Then he could not even dream of grand prix victories. Today, we have given him a car that he can win on his own.

Those comments are all about putting the driver in his place - at Marko's bidding.

Red Bull are giving both drivers equal preference for a WDC and the man who ownes the team has pledged that to the world. Naturally some poor souls will always only listen to sources which confirm their own preconceptions. Nothing wrong with it. It's the way of the world. Smart people will see through it.

And some poor souls keep believing everything the RB management keep spewing out, even though they've been shown to lie time after time with constantly shifting stories. Again it leaks out that Marko called the shots in the RB wing row when Horner claimed that the decision was 100% his. As in Turkey the stories and information leaking from the team are shifting over time, making it difficult to believe anything the team says.

Red Bull are not briefing against one of their drivers.

So Marko didn't say those words above that were attributed to him?

One of their drivers is a bit paranoid or thought that manipulating the public into thinking there was favoritism would give him the edge. It turned out he was briefly successful because the world is full of fools. It will not happen another time IMO. So it is high time that we return to business as usual regarding Red Bull. Let them do their job and if you feel you need to judge them listen at least to both sides of the debate.

Or one of their drivers was being disadvantaged to the benefit of the driver you support, and decided to go public in an effort to get a level playing field. Note that Webber has NEVER asked for advantage only a level playing field with his team mate.

Also note that Vettel still hasn't publicly said he expects Webber to be given a level playing field and that even if offered by the team he wouldn't accept unfair advantage. That was the recommendation of one of the articles that you linked to for how Vettel could prove he wasn't complicit and restore his reputation.