Mark Webber's shoulder...

[djos]

Intego, stop with this crazy common sense stuff, trolls simply ignore it!

[strad]

Mark doesn't need excuses...He has you.

[Giblet]

While both of you bring up valid, good points, Giblet, how do you know that the part of the broken shoulder in particular was written in his rough draft?

I can't 'know' for sure.

Webber stated that what he wrote he and his writer/editor (whoever he meant as "we") wrote about everything as it happened, when it happened, and they didn't go over the season with hindsight glasses and write it then.

I am choosing to take what he said as truth and take it as face value, if what he said was untrue, then shame on Mark Webber.

Of course anything is possible, but like or lump Webber, he has always been a straight shooter in my experience, even if what he has said has not always been well thought out or well planned.

[raymondu999]

Yes, I got the part about having hindsight goggles after every race, but he didn't say he wrote it after the races... did he?

[strad]

While both of you bring up valid, good points, Giblet, how do you know that the part of the broken shoulder in particular was written in his rough draft?

Of course anything is possible, but like or lump Webber, he has always been a straight shooter in my experience, even if what he has said has not always been well thought out or well planned.

Ahhhhhhhhh.....So you know him personally....Well that's different.

[segedunum]

What do you do when your wife says "I love you"? Does she have to prove it? When did the mistrust enter your world?

My girlfriend doesn't need to say that she loves me. She shows me otherwise the words would mean less and less the more she says them. That's not mistrust. It's backing up what you say, hence the saying 'actions speak louder than words'. Why? Because you can never look purely at what people say but what they do over time.

That's what we're looking at here. Mark Webber has cried wolf many times.

Common sense? - both at the same time.

[Giblet]

While both of you bring up valid, good points, Giblet, how do you know that the part of the broken shoulder in particular was written in his rough draft?

Of course anything is possible, but like or lump Webber, he has always been a straight shooter in my experience, even if what he has said has not always been well thought out or well planned.

Ahhhhhhhhh.....So you know him personally....Well that's different.

Lol The only famous people I run with are merely infamous.

But seriously, based on his actions over the years, he's always been open in interviews, and, like most Aussies I've known, lack tact, but are usually brutally honest.

[segedunum]

Webber stated that what he wrote he and his writer/editor (whoever he meant as "we") wrote about everything as it happened, when it happened, and they didn't go over the season with hindsight glasses and write it then.

Well, given that we didn't know he was writing this until now and the revelation has come out now it is neither here nor there. Trying to twist this round to say "Oh, Webber was writing this anyway", which we don't know is true at all, therefore this isn't the excuse it appears is not something you can do here I'm afraid. The only fact we have is that he's chosen to reveal this now, right after the season has finished. Not at any other time.

I am choosing to take what he said as truth and take it as face value...

Once again, great. You're entitled to it, but on balance there's no evidence to do so. That's what we're debating here, not your choice to take what Webber believes as the truth.

...but like or lump Webber, he has always been a straight shooter in my experience, even if what he has said has not always been well thought out or well planned.

He's whinged and excused himself far too many times. There's a point where that stops being straight shooting. I would have retired if the car was a shitbox, I'm a number 2, it's 'obvious' I'm a number two, I'm not 'wrapped' to be fifth on the grid...... It's the lastest in a long line of soundbite dropping that justifies things to himself and others as well as stupid injuries that reflect clumsiness and lack of forethought - and that generally reflect many of his overtaking and defensive moves incidentally.

[Giblet]

In understand what you are saying, and see why you say it.

I'm just not going to be convinced that what he had put in that book was some pr agenda, and not just words to fill a book to sell to fans to earn him some money.

[Tim.Wright]

right, good now lets end this stupid thread. Im sick of seeing it on the active threads page.

Tim

[strad]

[segedunum]

If he'd released this after his career had finished at some point and dropped this revelation then I would agree completely. It could still be construed as a convenient excuse but after a suitable amount of time not one he was willing to exploit straight after to justify his loss, and it would have looked plausible. However, dropping this straight after this season he knows exactly what he is saying and the danger of how it looks. His girlfriend Ann Neal is a pretty experienced PR person. The problem is that when you do this too often you start looking as if you're running on empty.......

We'll see what happens next season.

[richard_leeds]

9 pages ?!?!??!?

This is going to be a slow close season. We were spoilt last winter with goonie, dead zone, USF1 and borrowed wind tunnel models. *sigh* They were happy days.

[xpensive]

There you go richard, mocking MW and his shoulder is a poor substitute for massacring USF1, that was a delight no end!

Anyway, MW releasing a book with this directly after the season's end, bet his girlie had one or two alternative endings?

[raymondu999]

I still think he was stalling his broken shoulder, thus enabling him to run more downforce for the same straightline speed