myurr wrote:Sorry but it's not clear cut at all.
The 2008 car did not particularly suit Kimi but was perfect for Massa so he absolutely shone, plus after his title in 2007 I personally believe that Kimi lost interest in F1 and was just going through the motions.
2009 was not a good year to judge them at all - the car was a dog and Massa missed half the season. Alonso didn't exactly shine in 09 either. Look at how Fisichella struggled in that car with Kimi comfortably outpacing him.
Fact is in every year they were together they were generally evenly matched in speed, even in 2007 it took Kimi until very late in the season to shake Massa. Why wasnt 2009 a good year to judge just because the car was not the best? Talent shines even more in poor cars and Massa was comfortably beating Kimi until his accident.
Fisichella was a few months away from retirement and dropped into a new team with zero testing he should not even be a part of the discussion. You are just making excuses for Kimi. The car didnt suit him, lost motivation blah blah.
myurr wrote:In 2010 it's clear that something wasn't right with Massa, be it the car, his mental state, or the repercussions of his accident. He provides a poor benchmark by which to compare with Alonso.
No its not clear something was not right, thats just what you think because Massa did not perform as you expected.
myurr wrote:I'm not really a fan of Kimi or Massa, but I respect them both as talented drivers. Is Alonso better? Yup, he sure is. He's far more motivated and determined, and he's probably slightly faster than Massa at his best, and more consistent than Kimi at his best. Over a season I think Alonso at his best would beat either of them. But he wouldn't blow them away.
Massa at his best? I dont know what that even means, but I do find it funny that your speaking of a hypothetical match up between Massa and Alonso despite this already happening last year and Alonso blowing him away. This is just pure denial of reality, and creating your own.