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It's a matter of perspective, if the camera on the car is following the chassis roll it makes it look like the suspension leans into the turn. Which is why I ask as the angle on the steering arms seems not to match the chassis roll. Again it's probably an illusion.

Then again excessive positive caster has the same jacking effect on the suspension.
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Just looking at the Red Bull clip and the Mercedes clips it´s obvious the Mercedes has a softer suspension.
But that´s only looking at the provided videos.
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zac510 wrote:Those clips are cherry picked from either high speed turns, or when the driver took too much kerb and some are from 3+ seasons ago! Of course the suspension looks soft in those extreme scenarios.

That said, this one from Monaco was pretty awesome, considering the low speed:
https://streamable.com/zbm3
godlameroso wrote:https://vimeo.com/183872530
Either the Mercedes has a lot of body roll or the suspension is actually leaning into the turns.
Aren't these two points mutually exclusive? I mean when someone says "it has lots of body roll" the usually mean the chassis is leaning to the outside of the turn, so if the suspension is leaning the chassis inwards then it's probably rolling less?
Pardon me, I included the other years to show that they are common and Merc's philosophy all along, was to have lots of body roll.

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Interesting, perhaps they have all those slotted surfaces to prevent separation because the chassis rolls so much. Maybe the aero is designed with the chassis roll in mind. In that it's more effective when the chassis is pitched left or right.
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godlameroso wrote:Interesting, perhaps they have all those slotted surfaces to prevent separation because the chassis rolls so much. Maybe the aero is designed with the chassis roll in mind. In that it's more effective when the chassis is pitched left or right.

That's quite interesting. If you designed your car to have high downforce under body roll conditions you could eliminate some drag on straights (hypothetical).

This would be VS. the philosophy of having a very flat car through turns to maximize downforce performance VIA stable floor conditions.

Slightly counterintuitive but very interesting.

Not saying that's happening but I can't imagine a team TD not investigating the value of the philosophy in simulation.

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So I guess all end plates will converge to this toro-roso design now. Good job James Key!
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PlatinumZealot wrote:So I guess all end plates will converge to this toro-roso design now. Good job James Key!
Mercedes' had the same serrated rear wing teeth since Silverstone. Copied from James Key of course. McLaren's the latest team to follow this design.
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New FW for Malaysia. Main plane flaps are separated from endplate ala Toro Rosso rear wing cuts

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Nice Find. Interesting Update. What would be the benefits of such a Design?
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Not the same function though as the RWEP louvres. It's to feed the vortex inside the "tunnel".

Interesting that they only choose to separate the first 2 elements. No doubt they are not in a position (yet) to detach the whole structure and provide enough rigidity with just small struds. Those first 2 elements are closest to the ground, and therefore interact the most with ground effect, and therefore take priority.

I have to say it's getting very impressive what they are doing with the front wing overall. Red Bull rivals Mercedes concerning aero in general, but Mercedes is definitely a step further concerning the front wing. Furthermore, this is a solution they can take to next year.

I'll try to write an article about it.
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turbof1 wrote:Not the same function though as the RWEP louvres. It's to feed the vortex inside the "tunnel".

Interesting that they only choose to separate the first 2 elements. No doubt they are not in a position (yet) to detach the whole structure and provide enough rigidity with just small struds. Those first 2 elements are closest to the ground, and therefore interact the most with ground effect, and therefore take priority.

I have to say it's getting very impressive what they are doing with the front wing overall. Red Bull rivals Mercedes concerning aero in general, but Mercedes is definitely a step further concerning the front wing. Furthermore, this is a solution they can take to next year.

I'll try to write an article about it.
I thought it was to help the front of the car whilst turning: the conjunction between main plane flaps and endplate seemed to me as a nevralgic place of high load and pfoximity to the ground. Is it possible for this solution to obtain the exact reverse of the Toro Rosso's rear project? TR want more downforce turning, correct? At the front, the airlow will hit less surface, especially a less 'nevralgic' one. Which, btw, i thought was one of the main reasons behind the front wing upgrade that has two more openings on the part of the endplate right in front of the tyres
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turbof1 wrote:Not the same function though as the RWEP louvres. It's to feed the vortex inside the "tunnel".
Maybe it's main benefit is under low ride heights as it would effectively allow flow to bleed into the tunnel
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