HRT F112 Cosworth

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Will HRT be in Q2 in 2012?

Yes - at the start of the Season
15
5%
Yes - by Germany
22
7%
No - not in 2012
167
55%
Never!
102
33%
 
Total votes : 306

Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:42 am

Bad news:

According to De la Rosa, HRT's car will be only on track on sunday, and that's not 100% sure.

Does it take 4 days to build the car? :wtf:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97738


Trocola
Trocola
 
Joined: 25 Jan 2012
Location: Madrid, Spain

Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:30 am

Trocola wrote:Bad news:

According to De la Rosa, HRT's car will be only on track on sunday, and that's not 100% sure.

Does it take 4 days to build the car? :wtf:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97738


Trocola


That's the thing the car should have been half built by now, if it was just the role hoop and nose cone then what stops them from assembling the rest of the car? Does it take 4 days to manufacture these parts ?
dice782
 
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
Location: UK

Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:17 am

Just getting a car to FP1 at Melbourne would be impressive, despite what all the Armchair Team Managers here seem to believe. You think HRT make everything in house? How can you finalise a design until you've passed the crash tests? How can suppliers respond within a week, if they are scared of not being paid? Etc etc.

Nothing but respect for them, and good luck.
#58
Gridlock
 
Joined: 27 Jan 2012

Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:02 pm

dice782 wrote:That's the thing the car should have been half built by now, if it was just the role hoop and nose cone then what stops them from assembling the rest of the car? Does it take 4 days to manufacture these parts ?


I just yesterday watched Megastructures documentary about Williams F1 and they clearly state that car has to be build in specific order. Roll hoop is part of tub and if there is a problem you don't have a tub on which you mount engine, suspension etc. So they couldn't start to build a car until it passed all crash tests.
Cuky
 
Joined: 7 Dec 2011
Location: Rab, Croatia

Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:15 pm

The problem is build order and supplyer supply.

You may have the whole car built up, but you may be relying on a supplyer bringing in a specific part, for instance you may be waiting on a third damper (Heave spring) for the rear suspension. Without this you may as well have get on with all the other things at the front of the car, however with interlinked front and rear suspension now, this cant even be done.

Cars can be built in arround 6 to 8 hours if a team really wants to. How many cars have been built overnight when the driver has had a crash in one the day before.

Id recon that they will shake down on Sunday after launching Saturday lunch time.

Last year they had the F111 at Barcelona fot the last 2 days testing, however they didnt have critical suspension parts due to Spanish Customs messing up.

Ideally if they could get the car out for Saturday for a launch and shakedown in the afternoon, then get Pedro and Nairn into the car for half a day on Sunday, they will be in decent enough shape. Putting them a half baby step ahead of Marussia.
ESPImperium
 
Joined: 5 Apr 2008
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Post Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:02 pm

What i don't get is that they said they would be on the first Barcelona test, but they weren't able to because they didn't pass the crash test. Now they have passed the test and still don't have the pieces to build the car... were they ready for last week's test or not?

Let's hope they can put some miles on the car before Australia, as ESPImperium says


Trocola
Trocola
 
Joined: 25 Jan 2012
Location: Madrid, Spain

Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:05 pm

Things are just too quite today, cant HRT give a press release or something, how far is the car today 20% 50% 80%????

http://sports.ndtv.com/formula-1/news/item/186233-hrt-and-karthikeyan-racing-against-time
this article says that Narain was in Germany doing a seat fitting and will be flying to Barcelona tomorrow with every one. Does this mean they will be flying the car at the same time?
dice782
 
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
Location: UK

Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:30 pm

Not sure, we will know tomorrow for definite!
cbbcisace
 
Joined: 16 Jan 2011

Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:56 pm

I have a feeling there could be a car launch tomorrow lunch time on this news, with Nairn getting the maiden drive. If he can get 40 laps on the car he will be in good shape. Hand the car to Pedro to get 80 laps on Sunday. That will be a good baseline for the team, and will mean a end to a 3 year trend where they havnt got any milage before Event 1.

I just hope the F112 gets some milage (ideally) Tomorrow and or Sunday.

On a side note, They have another paretner joining the team, id say this is a deal of arround another €500,000 worth. On the smaller deals this closed season Hispania lead the way, id say probably with €2.5m of smaller deals, whitch all count at Hispanias level.
ESPImperium
 
Joined: 5 Apr 2008
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:10 pm

Yes KH-7 is the new partner.

Any mileage on the F112 is important now, just to get the car up and running.

A decision will be made tomorrow morning whether to get the car to Barca or not!
cbbcisace
 
Joined: 16 Jan 2011

Post Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:30 pm

cbbcisace wrote:Yes KH-7 is the new partner.

Any mileage on the F112 is important now, just to get the car up and running.

A decision will be made tomorrow morning whether to get the car to Barca or not!


[-o< I hope so they really have to be there. They need to break this trend of the last 2 years and its very important for a Spanish team to Launch their car first at home in Barcelona. I wish them all the Luck! [-o<
dice782
 
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
Location: UK

Post Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:41 am

Hi all! Newbie here.
Best luck to HRT! Hopefully they run tomorrow.
canario
 
Joined: 3 Mar 2012
Location: Chicago

Post Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:39 am

canario wrote:Hi all! Newbie here.
Best luck to HRT! Hopefully they run tomorrow.


Hahaha hi Canario i know you from PDLR forum, so godo to see you here.

Lets hope that HRT is going to say something today!!!!! I cant wait to see the car:)
hrt
 
Joined: 15 Nov 2011
Location: Madrid, Spain

Post Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:47 am

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/201 ... 23562.html

Interesting story . They say out of 82 personnel 80% of the team are new

When Kolles left they were left with absolutely no equipment. so HRT have been in a buying frenzy and have been receiving 80-90% of the stuff whole week and have been unable to receive some and have no space to fit anything. Talk about leaving things late!

There are interesting figures on how much things cost. Wheel guns 4000euros each HRT bought 16, 160 units of "Rubber heaters" Tyre blankets HRT payed 220 000 euros.100 000 Euros in hand tools and 70 000 for the garage structures.

The newspaper says the team leave to Australia in 6 days time Make that 5 days from the time between when they interviewed HRT and wrote the article. So it looks as if HRT can still make it to Barcelona without missing the flight to Australia. If 90% of the teams equipment is in Barcelona then the car can easily go with it to Australia.
dice782
 
Joined: 23 Mar 2010
Location: UK

Post Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:22 am

So they have 160 tyre heaters. You dont need more than 25 at any event.

25 will be on on their way to Melbourne, another 25 to Sepang, another 25 to China with the Melbourne lot being shipped to China, and the Sepang lot going to Bahrain. However it depends on what they call a unit, is it one unit per tyre or one unit per set of 4. 160 units would say to me they have 40 sets posibly.

All teams generally have 3 sets of gear, thats for the heavy stuff. Teams usually have about 30% to 40% of their gear go from one race ot another, not much more and not much less. Caterham are even trying to save money this year by sending all their back up batteries for their Dell track side servers by sea as they save more on the sea freight than they do by buying more batteries, whitch means more money into the teams budget for performance on the cars.

16 wheel guns, thats 2 sets with each wheel having a back up as well.

Tools, thats probably 2 sets, and garrage structures, thats another 2 sets.

It seems that Hispanis may be going with a A-Set and a B-Set for their logistics.

Marussia have 3 sets of everything, and they only have about 8 weeks of the year where they have everyhing back at base, 3 weeks in the winter and about 5 other times during the year for about a week.

Logistacally this is a nightmare, as some countries require you to have a Customs Exit Certificate, whitch if this is delayed in its issue, the cars could arrive at a circuit before the gear. A Nightmare.

It tallies with the €2.5m of gear they bought from Kolles and Epic Racing for their cars. Most teams would easily spend that just to get going.
ESPImperium
 
Joined: 5 Apr 2008
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

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