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Post Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:05 pm

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last week the flow looked like this (I know the spec is a bit different, but the inside vane stays in place.)

I doubt that the flow is jumping the vane to reach the slit, maybe the flow is split by the vane, but I doubt that this Piola guess is correct. We have seen on Maldonated's car the power/direction of the exhaust flow.

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Post Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:17 pm

FrukostScones wrote:I doubt that the flow is jumping the vane to reach the slit, maybe the flow is split by the vane,


Of course it isn't.



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Post Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:31 pm

FrukostScones wrote:last week the flow looked like this (I know the spec is a bit different, but the inside vane stays in place.)

I doubt that the flow is jumping the vane to reach the slit, maybe the flow is split by the vane, but I doubt that this Piola guess is correct. We have seen on Maldonated's car the power/direction of the exhaust flow.



Whether it does or doesn't, I'm not quite sure obviously, but both of these pictures come from the same place. However the slit/cut would be there for the purpose of getting some flow under the floor. As you said, perhaps it splits the flow?

@kilco0316 surely you weren't referring to me?
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:07 pm

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Only on the sauber it's entry and exit is on the nose itself .

Can this really work without a device speeding up the air between the 2 holes?
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:33 pm

There's high pressure building up beneath the nose and the duct feeds into a relatively low pressure region created above the hump in the nose...
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:38 pm

Why should the flow there go around a 90° corner?
It has some inertia and high air speed. It will create lots of turbulence for very little flow going trough the hole. I can't see how this should be benefical at all.
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:31 pm

mep wrote:Why should the flow there go around a 90° corner?
It has some inertia and high air speed. It will create lots of turbulence for very little flow going trough the hole. I can't see how this should be benefical at all.


I think that 90° corner has to do with the mechanical bits at the front of the survival-cell.
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:37 pm

I noticed looking through pictures that Checo's car did not use a monkey seat in Malaysia, and Kobayashi did. Interesting no?

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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:47 pm

mep wrote:Why should the flow there go around a 90° corner?
It has some inertia and high air speed. It will create lots of turbulence for very little flow going trough the hole. I can't see how this should be benefical at all.


The whole purpose of the slot both under & over is to get better airflow to the underside of the car.
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:52 pm

scarbs wrote:There's high pressure building up beneath the nose and the duct feeds into a relatively low pressure region created above the hump in the nose...


Ok, I understand.
And Red Bull is probably doing the same with the 2 slots, but then feeding the air to the (low pressure) cockpit?
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:13 pm

I think they did the same in Australia, running one car with monkey seat and one without. Or it might have been during practice, but look it up.

Edit: Yes they did in Melbourne aswell

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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:15 pm

Monkey seat??
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Post Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:19 pm

strad wrote:Monkey seat??


The little miniature wing sitting on the middle of the beam wing. :)

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Post Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:55 am

Ah...Thank You
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Post Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:56 am

Monkey seat is by far my new favorite aero phrase.
Grip is a four letter word.

2 is the new #1.
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