Sauber C31 Ferrari

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby Huntresa » Thu May 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Tozza Mazza wrote:I take it the new front wing first seen at the Barcelona tests purpose is vortex generation to avoid tyre drag?

Or have I missed something?


Isnt that always the purpose?

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby Tozza Mazza » Thu May 17, 2012 8:50 pm

This wing seems to take it one step further than we've seen before.

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby PhantomPoster » Sat May 19, 2012 3:31 pm

Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Sauber Update Analysis

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Interesting comment about those sidepod winglet things. GA suggests they route air upwards? From the real pictures I've seen they look like they flick downwards. Am I missing something?

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby Owen.C93 » Sat May 19, 2012 4:31 pm

I think it separates the air so the boundary layers is smaller or just has less of an effect on the rest of the airflow.
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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby PhantomPoster » Sat May 19, 2012 7:04 pm

Separates the air? So you agree with GA? To me it looks like a lift profile to STOP the air separating. I would have thought it's there to help their exhaust solution.

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby bhall » Sat May 19, 2012 7:19 pm

PhantomPoster wrote:Interesting comment about those sidepod winglet things. GA suggests they route air upwards? From the real pictures I've seen they look like they flick downwards. Am I missing something?

Realize that these are the thoughts of Gary Anderson. Take everything he says with a grain of salt and invert it and then you might get something with some semblance of reality.

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby marcush. » Sat May 19, 2012 7:57 pm

is this the equivalent of a leading edge flap on a wingprofile?

To me it looks like the front corner treatment of trucks:
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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby Crucial_Xtreme » Sat May 19, 2012 10:38 pm

The vane points the airflow downwards, to drive greater flow over the exhaust exit. In isolation this vane actually creates lift, as is common with F1 aero this counter intuitive solution creates more global downforce because of its downstream effect, than the small loss in downforce its creates on its own.

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby PlatinumZealot » Sat May 19, 2012 11:43 pm

It just breaks the low pressure zone around the top leading edge of the side pod by directing the air along the surface. A simple guide vane.

The drag is reduced and side pod lift reduced with it.
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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby FrukostScones » Wed May 23, 2012 1:41 pm

large DRS-flap for Monte-Carlo
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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby PNSD » Wed May 23, 2012 3:03 pm

marcush. wrote:is this the equivalent of a leading edge flap on a wingprofile?

To me it looks like the front corner treatment of trucks:
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I asked this question in 2006 when Honda and other teams had those large sidepod winglets.

Since then I asked a former automotive aerodynamicist (my old lecturer!) and he said one of the reason's is to keep the truck's clean. They capture a lot of dirt and dust from the engine, road, other trucks. Keeps the cab steps clean too, and of course for image purposes for haulage companies.

edit - However, he did say they more than likely provided some other aero effect.

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby Crucial_Xtreme » Wed May 23, 2012 3:45 pm

Great high res picture of the C31 front bulkhead. I don't see the strut bar present in Spain.

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby FakeAlonso » Wed May 23, 2012 6:29 pm

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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby italian » Wed May 23, 2012 8:55 pm

Interesting...
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Re: Sauber C31 Ferrari

Postby Crucial_Xtreme » Wed May 23, 2012 9:02 pm

italian wrote:Interesting...

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They've moved their radiators. You can see the new position in the exhaust picture I posted earlier




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