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[ianwit]

There's nothing to stop suppliers working during the shut down is there?

[beelsebob]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

This:
Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

[Neno]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

This:
Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

1. from your post it sounded like they would sure turn up with it. again you comparing that in 3 weeks work will have something what lotus needed 5 months at least.
2. we know that mclaren said they been working on similar system, but if you closely read article they said something in style, we testing with enginers in CFD, wind tunnel what performances can such system bring. they said nothing about bringing such system there, nothing about is in devolopment, even if they bring in some miracle system they will not race with him for sure (again in article said something like lotus was example that is not easy to put such system in car and will work 100% percent, they needed to test device on two previous GP). please dont make me to repeat myself again.

[westech]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

This:
Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

1. from your post it sounded like they would sure turn up with it. again you comparing that in 3 weeks work will have something what lotus needed 5 months at least.
2. we know that mclaren said they been working on similar system, but if you closely read article they said something in style, we testing with enginers in CFD, wind tunnel what performances can such system bring. they said nothing about bringing such system there, nothing about is in devolopment, even if they bring in some miracle system they will not race with him for sure (again in article said something like lotus was example that is not easy to put such system in car and will work 100% percent, they needed to test device on two previous GP). please dont make me to repeat myself again.

Neno don't be dumb Those engineers have known this for a long time, once FIA dime it legal some teams have be working on this system since then it' believed that in contrast mclaren have this double DRS system, Who knew about the new nose? Sam michael hinted about it that means most likely it will be introduced at SPA , so trust me the development has been on going for some time.DDRS will be on the menu for SPA & monza.

[Jackles-UK]

I'm not so sure a DDRS will be on the car so soon if at all. I'm not entirely sure they'd need it.

McLaren haven't ever really been found wanting in terms of top level speed (Canada a few years back they brought the wrong 7th gear but thats about all) and in recent years have gone a slightly different way in their setups at low downforce tracks, running slightly higher downforce than the rest of the track and relying on the extra power the Merc engine appears to offer over the Renault/Ferrari units that power their rivals. Jenson putting it on the front row around Monza with what looked like a parachute of a rear wing in 2010 for example.

Not that it wouldn't give them any benefit at all, but surely it would be better to focus on improving areas of weakness rather than improving on areas they are already fairly strong in comparison?

[hardingfv32]

so trust me the development has been on going for some time.DDRS will be on the menu for SPA & monza.

Why would anyone proceed with DDRS? What do we have to indicate that it has any value at all? The only team using it is certainly not doing well.

Brian

[zyphro]

so trust me the development has been on going for some time.DDRS will be on the menu for SPA & monza.

Why would anyone proceed with DDRS? What do we have to indicate that it has any value at all? The only team using it is certainly not doing well.

Brian

What suggests, the DDRS is the demise of Mercedes's performance as the season has worn on? The lack of rear-downforce compared to their competitors, is certainly hindering them.

[Huntresa]

so trust me the development has been on going for some time.DDRS will be on the menu for SPA & monza.

Why would anyone proceed with DDRS? What do we have to indicate that it has any value at all? The only team using it is certainly not doing well.

Brian

Cause it might not be a DDRS but it might be what Lotus has ?

[beelsebob]

so trust me the development has been on going for some time.DDRS will be on the menu for SPA & monza.

Why would anyone proceed with DDRS? What do we have to indicate that it has any value at all? The only team using it is certainly not doing well.

Brian

Why do you always insist on this crazy idea that just because the team does not have the fastest car, none of the ideas on their car can be any good?

[Coefficient]

We don't know how long they have been developing it and in which stage it currently is, but with the summer break coming up they will have 1 more week to complete it and to produce the parts. Not alot of time. However, such a system could be very benificial for Spa and Monza.[/quote]
1 more week? There's a 5 week break, they're holidaying for the first 2... That's 3 of pure development after that.[/quote]
if you in 3 weeks of your "pure devolopment" expect mclaren with their device in Spa you are then some kind of idiot, no offense its not possible IMHO even if they are devoloping it. lotus needed almost half of season, to introduce their system, in that time they traded their straight line test for wind tunnel tests, carefull read rules, and asked FIA in february about such system, they probably from begging of season started working on mercedes similar idea, also they need first to test on track if system working (but will system work constantly or not?). and now you expect in your PURE devolopment that mclaren will come out with similar system, make system with car in one test session, and will gloriously work [/quote]

Whilst it is naive to think that Mclaren can design and build a DDRS device during the summer break, it is equally naive to think that they haven't been working on it since preseason when they realised what Mercedes were up to. Also, Mclaren are very good at this sort of thing, remember the F Duct?

[hardingfv32]

Cause it might not be a DDRS but it might be what Lotus has ?

What Lotus 'might', if not DRS related, could have been done years ago. Why are we seeing it now if it so effective?

Brian

[PhillipM]

Because even the smallest of gains is vital this year given how close the results are.

[mekanikal_grip]

Yes, you said yourself that Mclaren will have such system in Spa and race with Good for them then, it would be great for championship, but you said that mclaren will make same job until Spa (even if factory are closed) what lotus made in half season.

This:
Why not? McLaren have been closed this week... That's only 1 week of closure remaining, then 3 weeks of time they can work

Uhhh, you really haven't answered any of my questions...
1) *I* did not say McLaren would turn up with it, I said they had 3 weeks more work before the next race.
2) You seem to be insistent on the assumption that McLaren have not been working on such a system before this week, let alone before seeing Lotus' system, why is this?

1. from your post it sounded like they would sure turn up with it. again you comparing that in 3 weeks work will have something what lotus needed 5 months at least.
2. we know that mclaren said they been working on similar system, but if you closely read article they said something in style, we testing with enginers in CFD, wind tunnel what performances can such system bring. they said nothing about bringing such system there, nothing about is in devolopment, even if they bring in some miracle system they will not race with him for sure (again in article said something like lotus was example that is not easy to put such system in car and will work 100% percent, they needed to test device on two previous GP). please dont make me to repeat myself again.

Neno, there are some assumptions in your post which you haven't thought about.

Just because Renault/Lotus have been taking 5months to perfect their system, this doesn't mean McLaren will take equally as long. Granted, McLaren wont nail it in three weeks however, their technological resources, human resources and financial power means they will develop better and faster than pretty much every team.

[wesley123]

Cause it might not be a DDRS but it might be what Lotus has ?

What Lotus 'might', if not DRS related, could have been done years ago. Why are we seeing it now if it so effective?

Brian

Because only now they came with the idea and no one had thought of it before.

[FemiA]

Mclaren do have lots of experienc with F-duct so I don't think it's going to take them that long to have a competitive DDRS in place, certainly not 5 months. They claim to have something in place already.