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amouzouris wrote:As i promised as soon as the rear brake duct photos emerged (thanks to Dream Theater) i made drawings of them!

In the first drawing you can see the brake caliper (highlighted yellow) mounted horizontally at the bottom...this helps with a lower center of gravity but makes it harder to cool the brakes...red bull experienced problems in 2010 with their calipers mounted like this..
Z with the one picture he posted & this one below you should be able to come up with a good pic of the top of the ducts no? Top element ala RB.

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amouzouris
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actually it would be kinda hard because the upright is in the way but ill give it a shot!

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Strap on your tin foil hat, because I'm about to unleash another one of my dumbass ideas/notions.

Could you eject hot gasses through a suspension member to combat the instability associated with tire squirt?

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EDIT: "No, dummy, because you'd bake the brakes."

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That monkey seat looks smaller than previous examples, or is it just me?

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to be fair vbhall I think the brakes would be ohk, bearing in mind that they routinely reach temps ~ 800 - 1000 degrees centigrade, that baking wouldn't be the problem. In fact at tracks like Spa or Monaco where the brakes suffer temperature loss over sections of the track, the exhaust could be used to keep the temp up.

You would probably fall foul of using the exhaust plume for aero gain though not to mention increase the thermal loading on a critical suspension member made of a composite.
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Lycoming wrote:That monkey seat looks smaller than previous examples, or is it just me?

Perhaps its the new angle of the beam wing.
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Robbobnob wrote:to be fair vbhall I think the brakes would be ohk, bearing in mind that they routinely reach temps ~ 800 - 1000 degrees centigrade, that baking wouldn't be the problem. In fact at tracks like Spa or Monaco where the brakes suffer temperature loss over sections of the track, the exhaust could be used to keep the temp up.

You would probably fall foul of using the exhaust plume for aero gain though not to mention increase the thermal loading on a critical suspension member made of a composite.
Good points. I think the regulation barring the re-ingestion of exhaust gasses would, indeed, come into play.

Coincidentally, could you cool the brakes in such a manner? I imagine removing the scoop would be beneficial, and ducting air via a control arm or two would seem to be perfectly legit within the regulations.

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TRANSLATION:
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Not the most accurate but the best google can do...

edit: actually it is pretty useless...u can hardly understand anything..
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What does "more robust suspension" mean?
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alogoc wrote:What does "more robust suspension" mean?
robust means very strong....so they made the suspension stronger to compensate for the slightly taller curbs the cars will be hitting all the time...

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alogoc wrote:What does "more robust suspension" mean?
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From the latest Piola article in Italian that FakeAlonso provided I'll translate the main points:

The first two paragraphs go on about the usual DF requirements and that efficiency (drag) isn't a priority due to the nature of the circuit. Wing angles go from the average 14 degrees to 22.

Third paragraph goes into the suspension, stating that is softened and the ride height is increased; 20mm front and 60mm rear. And while the speeds are not as great, there is less time for the brakes to cool down within each lap.

Last paragraph and graphics at the bottom;
  • 1. Maximum angleofttack for downforce and updates to the shapes of the flaps.

    2. Strengthened suspension.

    3. Increased venting around exhausts due to cooling requirements.

    4. Perhaps a RBR style central hot air exhaust.

    5. Perhaps a change to the RW profile.
These are all as expected, of course.

amouzouris wrote:
alogoc wrote:What does "more robust suspension" mean?
robust means very strong....so they made the suspension stronger to compensate for the slightly taller curbs the cars will be hitting all the time...
I'll go out on a limb and assume he knows the literal meaning of "robust", but is wondering how the suspension is technically strengthened? My guess is changing (strengthening) the parts where buckling or snapping is most likely to occur, mainly around the uprights. But yet leaving the dimensions of the arms and rods alone.
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Monaco is all about traction and we know that Ferrari have improved significantly in this department since the Barcelona updates. Couple with this the fact that Ferrari have not had the fluctuations in performance caused by being unable to get the tires to work like other teams & I would say that they are looking good for a podium in Monaco.

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Hemsy wrote:Monaco is all about traction and we know that Ferrari have improved significantly in this department since the Barcelona updates. Couple with this the fact that Ferrari have not had the fluctuations in performance caused by being unable to get the tires to work like other teams & I would say that they are looking good for a podium in Monaco.
you can also add the fact that since Monaco is a more or less driver's skill circuit, and you have someone like Fernando Alonso in your team, definite podium possible.

Btw, can anyone tell me whether there was a change in the sidepods in Barcelona, it looks to me that it is sloping downwards even more.
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