Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:35 pm

Were there supposed to be any updates planned for Hockenheim on the W03...?
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:37 pm

SeijaKessen wrote:Were there supposed to be any updates planned for Hockenheim on the W03...?


Affirmative.

"The Hockenheim layout should be more suited to the F1 W03 than the high-speed Silverstone layout," Brawn added.
"We are bringing some further improvements to the car which should help our performance."

(Source)
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:51 pm

The body work around the exhaust is different, the preceeding bump is gone
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Post Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:58 pm

mantikos wrote:The body work around the exhaust is different, the preceeding bump is gone



Its still there
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:07 am

Okay guys, any new updates on the W03? Or are there only some suspicious new internal "Updates" which are bringing better "tyre management" ?
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:49 pm

ReLax wrote:Okay guys, any new updates on the W03? Or are there only some suspicious new internal "Updates" which are bringing better "tyre management" ?


they haven't been updating exterior for a quite time ... only downgrading :) I heard they'll run with no FW on next race =D>
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:59 pm

Yes, :? Monkey seat has gone again...
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:30 pm

Anybody know what this contraption is?

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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:39 pm

elf341 wrote:Yes, :? Monkey seat has gone again...


I believe both cars had it on them.
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:43 pm

Looks like the repositioned the barge boards to be outboard of the turning vane which were previously positioned more outboard of the apex of the sidepods. This new positioning shows they are trying to further condition the flow from the turning vanes under the nose and around the side pods.
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:46 pm

Morteza wrote:I believe both cars had it on them.


Was that in FP2? I only watched FP1, and I haven't been able to find a pic from FP1 with it on, they both have it off.
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:48 pm

elf341 wrote:
Morteza wrote:I believe both cars had it on them.


Was that in FP2? I only watched FP1, and I haven't been able to find a pic from FP1 with it on, they both have it off.


I missed FP1 as a matter of fact. So yes, the cars had monkey seat in FP2.
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Post Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:50 pm

Joie de vivre wrote:
ReLax wrote:Okay guys, any new updates on the W03? Or are there only some suspicious new internal "Updates" which are bringing better "tyre management" ?


they haven't been updating exterior for a quite time ... only downgrading :) I heard they'll run with no FW on next race =D>

:lol:

Seems the fw cascade is gone for good and the main flap is quite flat also. I think Wesley123 might be right, W03 must lack rear df and the additional df they were running on the fws were useless. They have a very good speed trap this weekend, so at least they assume their lack of df and goes completely for straightline advantadge
n smikle wrote:Regulations this year reward having more rear downforce. This year's front wings have too much downforce believe it or not, they are actually unbalancing he car. Mecedez could afford to lose downforce on the front to gain better air conditioning for the middle and rear of the car.


Actually, this have been the case since the regulations change in 2009 and that's why Newey said that high noses are the only way after that.

Current diffusers are too small, cars remain with a big ride height(since 1994 with introduction of wooden plank) and rw lost 25% of it's span, although teams use bigger chord to compensate for it.

The front wing is way too big and is allowed to be ran quite low nowadays, and that gives more front df than ever in F1.

Cars from 80s and mid 90s had more balance towards the rear as they had the usual 1 meter rear wingspan, ran lower/closer to the ground and had bigger diffuser. Their fws had the usual 1,4m of span and were pretty poor developed back then, and that's why almost all teams used low noses to add more downforce to the front.

With the current regulation, is all about throwing all the design to the rear and that includes designing a fw which better routes airflow to the rest of the car.
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Post Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:07 am

Putting the front or rear wing lower doesnt give more downforce. Placing them higher does.

I think AMG is not spending to much time on the body aerodynamics because the real issues are inside the bodywork.

Also i do not believe they haven't have any upgrades, they are just not viewable from the outside.
Ross Brawn: When we understand the tyres we wont understand why we're still of the pace...
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Post Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:11 am

yener wrote:Putting the front or rear wing lower doesnt give more downforce. Placing them higher does.

Put the front wing low enough and it starts getting ground effect. Lowering front wings definitely gives more DF.
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