myurr wrote:qualifying today demonstrates this beautifully.
I disagree. Vettel produced 3 identical laps down to a few thousandths difference in Q2, except for an error he did on his last Q2 run in Sector 1. That to me shows a very drivable car.
The reality is that, as 2010 shows us, without the off throttle blowing Webber's natural technique is quicker than Vettel's. He takes a late apex, straightens the car early, and gets back on the throttle early which gets the exhaust blowing again giving him more rear grip. Vettel struggled to copy this in 2010 leading to the off throttle blowing which then gave him the freedom to drive how he preferred and took the advantage away from Webber.
Agreed. I think to add to this - I think since the start of DRS-assisted quali (ie starting last year) Webber has started to pile on a bit more rear wing, or less front wing. He seems to set the car up for a slightly understeery aero balance, so that counters the aero oversteer balance of opening the DRS. You could see very clearly that there were corners last year only he could take with DRS on, and when faced with a high speed direction change, at least in quali, you could see that Mark sometimes struggled to get the front in. Possibly, this would help him better too in that he has a stable, balanced car on entry (off throttle) then he picks a very straight, late apex line exiting the corner. With his foot then down on the pedal it should induce understeer with Webber's setup, but the lack of steering sort of "negates" that exit understeer effect. I think Vettel on the other hand has been setting up for a more "on-throttle" balance, leaving him with an unstable car on entry.
We could see everything switch around again in the race. Perhaps the a-spec gives Vettel a more consistent feeling for the car on higher fuel loads, which may help settle the rear. If that is the case then he could have relatively stronger race pace. But it's going to be a long and very tough season if he keeps qualifying so far down the grid, especially as other teams like Mercedes and Sauber get on top of their cars issues (race pace and qualifying pace respectively).
Yeah - we'll see in the race.
WhiteBlue wrote:I'm seeing people take very premature conclusions here. The facts are that Webber is faster on the McLaren style exhaust.
That sounds pretty premature a conclusion to me to be honest. In all fairness. Seb was, option for option, about 2 and a half tenths under Webber in Malaysia Q3. He was 3.3 tenths under Webber in Q2 today. He lost (relatively) a tenth.