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Lotus E21 Renault

Team: James Allison (TD), Naoki Tokunaga (DTD), Tim Densham (CD), Dirk De Beer (HA), Gerard Lopez (Chairman), Eric Boullier (TP), Patrick Louis (COO), John Mardle (OD), Steve Nielsen (SD), Alan Permane (CRE)
Drivers: Kimi Räikkönen (7), Romain Grosjean (8)

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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:48 pm

gandharva wrote:Thanks for posting. It's not the same than 2012. Just look at the lower part. Now it's cut out too. Also the upper part looks different too.


Yes and no. You missed some posts above.
Another interesting thing:
CGI E21 also has different front wishbones/steering rack design; E20's steering rack is independant; it's not integrated to the lower wishbone...
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:49 pm

"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:49 pm

amouzouris wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:
amouzouris wrote:If you don't believe me go check on scarbs' twitter...he says its the e21 too..


there goes his rep.... 8) (peace, bro)

ok..whteva...until the nonsense stops im out...


I can say the it is an E20 with R31 sidepods?
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:49 pm

On FB Lotus is saying that this is E21, which we already found out that's different from today's showcar
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:56 pm



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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:59 pm

I assumed that is the case, this "photoshoped" pictures are really E21, and what was represented today was E20 with E21 parts, like it was for E20, R31 with E20 parts last year.

You could see on presentation, Jerez entry sidepods so i was suspicious. I think real E21 have longer wheelbase, tighter rear end packing with Red Bull style exaust ramp, Mclarens rear wing, Sauber wings on sidepods and combination of R31/E20 style of nose.
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:01 pm

just compare the bumps on the bulkhead/nose with studio shots of "E21" in the video
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:01 pm

beelsebob wrote:
  • The nose is a different shape
  • The front wing is different
  • The roll hoop is different


Front wing, nose and roolhop from Bahrain 2012: http://i.imgur.com/LdClJWf.jpg
Front wing and nose from launch 2013: http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... medium.jpg
Rollhop from launch 2013: http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... medium.jpg

beelsebob wrote:
  • The side pod air intakes are totally different
  • The air intake is different


Sidepods air intakes and engine air intake from Bahrain 2012: http://i.imgur.com/Wq1P6D4.jpg
Sidepods air intakes from launch 2013: http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... medium.jpg
Engine air intake from launch 2013: http://imageshack.us/a/img94/7159/i4v9503.jpg

beelsebob wrote:
  • The barge boards and turning veins are entirely different
  • The rear wing is different


Turning veins from Hungary 2012: http://i.imgur.com/xcISut3.jpg
Turning veins from launch 2013: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBuQ_A9CAAElUHb.jpg:large
(notice split in the upper part)

Rear wing from Hungary 2012: http://i.imgur.com/A8ALn2U.jpg
Rear wing from launch 2013: http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... medium.jpg

As you can see everything is the same!
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:13 pm

Allison states that most of the car is an evolution...

The front and rear wings are along the same thought pattern as the old ones. The side pods too. He said the suspension has been modified to be more aerodynamic. They will run a passive DRS in testing and hope to prove it works. He doesn't plan to run a nose blank because of the added weight.

Guys, this looks a lot like the E20 because it is an evolution. This is about what I expected.
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:19 pm

About today's car sidpods...
Confusion is caused by the fact that E20 air intakes evolved atleat two times last season. In the early tests they had 2 crash-structure-like bulges each. In barcelona They only kept the upper ones and lost the others. And in Monaco, the sidepods received more triangular air intakes (while sidepods used to have elliptic/rectangular ones)
Today's car has the early E20 sidepods.

1st version
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:21 pm



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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:23 pm

thanks Blackout!

I can't believe how many people buy that todays lauch "E21" is the real E21.
It is so obvious that it is E20 with minor changes to fool the audience.
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:25 pm

FrukostScones wrote:It is so obvious that it is E20 with minor changes to fool the audience.


Without wanting to prolong this debate, if it fooled a certain sandal-wearing nerd who spent a hell of a lot of time a hell of a lot closer to the E20 than (m)any of us into thinking it was worth posting to his twitter feed then either Lotus serve excellent bacon sarnies or they're E21 parts at the very least?

Edit: Based on the listings at least Sky have spun a 30 minute program out of this (Weds 1930 F1HD) so I'd imagine they'll have further details/video/pictures and won't want to be wasting their time talking about early-2012 front wings or Jerez-test side pods?
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:34 pm

The real one will have a modesty panel :) Thats my bet ....
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Post Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:40 pm

Hey I just found out why the E21 has more red! It is angry with all of you thinking its the E20! :D
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