Mercedes AMG F1 W04

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mep
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Regarding the FRIC system.
I noticed that the Mercedes lifted the inside front wheel from the ground a couple of times during the Malaysia race.
Could be related to a very soft roll stiffness.

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mep wrote:Regarding the FRIC system.
I noticed that the Mercedes lifted the inside front wheel from the ground a couple of times during the Malaysia race.
Could be related to a very soft roll stiffness.

That could be the case, or as Dr. Helmut Marko stated today it could be a very soft setup due to tires. Helmut stated these tires seem to peel off in chunks the more downforce put on them. Mercedes softer setup could be advantageous to these tires as it removes some of that tire load which destroys them so easily.

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shouldnt a softer suspension cause more tyre wear?
thats what we experience on sim racing in rfactor and iracing

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siskue2005 wrote:shouldnt a softer suspension cause more tyre wear?
thats what we experience on sim racing in rfactor and iracing
Depends, softer relative to the field might still be stiff enough to prevent the kind of weight transfer that would cause uneven thermal stress on the tires. Part of that depends on the stiffness of the chassis and suspension geometry etc.
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Bredd wrote:Merc had good pace today and good traction and speed in the corners yet they seem to lack a little top speed. When hamilton did have his drs open on vettel he just didn't seem to get anywhere. Maybe get the passive drs working?
Yea i checked the time-delta and it looked like he actually lost time even though he was on the DRS.
Like a tenth or so.
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siskue2005 wrote:shouldnt a softer suspension cause more tyre wear?
thats what we experience on sim racing in rfactor and iracing
Depends on if you're sliding around or not. You can stop some oversteer and wheel spin by softening up the rear and even take some flex out of the tyre to reduce temps.
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Are they having different side vents next to drivers head?

GrizzleBoy
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Indeed they are. Interesting.

What could be different enough about the cars to warrant different vents?

Also note the angle of both front wings from front to rear :)

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Nice find!
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Nico's car also have a camera housing an the right side ...

And the two dark dots above the exhaust has different distances at both cars ...

Behind the vents of lewis car is another dark dot.

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Has there been any quotes about a Chinese GP update?

What areas are we likely to seem improved?
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GrizzleBoy wrote:Indeed they are. Interesting.

What could be different enough about the cars to warrant different vents?

Also note the angle of both front wings from front to rear :)
Imo, front wings have the same angle, a bit of photo-prospective.

About the vents, were Mercedes trying a bit different cinfigurations between the cars to collect more data? Nico and Lewis pushed both, it didn't seem like one pushed more. A more aggressive config for Lewis with more holes for ventilation?

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GrizzleBoy wrote:Indeed they are. Interesting.

What could be different enough about the cars to warrant different vents?

Also note the angle of both front wings from front to rear :)
I think Hamilton's DRS is open. This was probably taken as they were drafting each other, since Hamilton is retaking the lead, that would make it the second DRS zone.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:Indeed they are. Interesting.

What could be different enough about the cars to warrant different vents?

Also note the angle of both front wings from front to rear :)
Good eye. Both wings seem to be tilting backwards.
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Almost definitely, with this and the Red Bull Red Dots, lateral rotation is still a performance differentiator then.
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