Yeah I was thinking that to, maybe go down the mercedes route with the nose, it's not far away now, just cut of the ugly part!Thunders wrote:I can't believe i am writing this but seeing Jenson saying they're maxed out on the Front Wing makes me think they really need a complete redesign of it. Not sure if they can incorporate a low Nose Design (since that seems to be working really well) into their Car but the Front Wing needs massive Work.
I'm confident that they have the exact same issue this year as they had last year. I think any lack of drivability they had last year was down to a fundamental downforce defect.Dipesh1995 wrote:I think the fundamental car is good but it lacks around 45 points of downforce considering 30 points is worth a second. Its ironic that they have the opposite issues to last year where last year, the car had downforce but had poor drivability whereas this year, they have good drivability but a lack of downforce.
U mean give it a circumcision??KingHamilton01 wrote:Yeah I was thinking that to, maybe go down the mercedes route with the nose, it's not far away now, just cut of the ugly part!Thunders wrote:I can't believe i am writing this but seeing Jenson saying they're maxed out on the Front Wing makes me think they really need a complete redesign of it. Not sure if they can incorporate a low Nose Design (since that seems to be working really well) into their Car but the Front Wing needs massive Work.
very simply I didn't hear what Mag had to say about itlebesset wrote: why point the finger at button , why not maggie ?
different driver , different set up , same problem of no heat in the front tyres
This is what I think they should do, forget beating the competition just yet, just bring it to their level via imitation.ringo wrote:If you can't make progress with your own work, you copy. Works every time!
What's the difference?beelsebob wrote: I'm confident that they have the exact same issue this year as they had last year. I think any lack of drivability they had last year was down to a fundamental downforce defect.
akes you wonder if McLaren suffer with cooling issue's? do they really need those 2 long tunnel's at either side running to the back of the car, no one else run's them! I can only hope that McLaren bringing new sidepod's will help aid aero and then they can try and get on top of the front wing and therefore helping front tyres to work better.ringo wrote:The nose is ok. It's the front wings and sidepods.
At the moment Force India have a better car, and they have a similar nose. Williams has a better car and they have a similar nose.
This is reminiscent of 2009 when they overlooked to outwash front wing design. They are going through a similar problem.
The wings are narrower this year, and they haven't gotten on top regaining the performance from it.
Note the offending coolings holes crowding out the top of the engine cover, and compare to the force India
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removing the butterflies should allow the cooling to be better distributed out the rear of the car.
The nose can be brought back a bit like the mercedes as well. It does have a massive overhang over the wing.
Last year's car did have a decent amount of downforce but it was inconsistent downforce which made the car unpredictable and difficult to drive therefore making the car not very usable. Whitmarsh did say that the car was too "peaky" (http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12479 ... ens-mp4-28).beelsebob wrote: I'm confident that they have the exact same issue this year as they had last year. I think any lack of drivability they had last year was down to a fundamental downforce defect.
Can you define precisely the meaning of "does indeed work" in the context of finishing a race out of points and qualifying out of top 10.Lycoming wrote:They tested back-to-back with and without the butterflies at the Bahrain test and they're still on the car, so it would seem that their data suggests that it does indeed work.