Mercedes AMG F1 W07

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Duke wrote:Lots of nice close ups of the Merc which they won't like - it just seems to be parked in the open in the pit lane :?:
No one is updating their cars anymore maybe they don't feel threatened, everyone getting a good look anymore.

Maybe their philosophy is totally different next year.

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Duke wrote:Lots of nice close ups of the Merc which they won't like - it just seems to be parked in the open in the pit lane :?:
no need to hide as most of the teams shifted their development to 2017 cars


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I partly agree with the comment: since it's mandatory the max width (28mm), wouldn't the benefit be only at a surface level, with a bit wider holes? You can't add a 5th-6th line of holes, this additional line wouldn't find space in the 28mm width

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The article cites increased surface as an advantage. The increase in surface would appear to be rather minimal and one would think that most cooling is via flow through the holes anyways, and that exchange surface is being diminished by the scalloped edge.
What other advantages could this shape bring?
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hollus wrote:What other advantages could this shape bring?
A bit of weight saving? Granted, it is minimal but as it's unsprung weight maybe it's worth it.

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hollus wrote:The article cites increased surface as an advantage. The increase in surface would appear to be rather minimal and one would think that most cooling is via flow through the holes anyways, and that exchange surface is being diminished by the scalloped edge.
What other advantages could this shape bring?
Would it be this surface area that's important? Dimensions are a bit rough, but maybe 5-10% extra cooling for the Merc? (If cooling is proportional to surface area.)

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ChrisDanger wrote:
hollus wrote:The article cites increased surface as an advantage. The increase in surface would appear to be rather minimal and one would think that most cooling is via flow through the holes anyways, and that exchange surface is being diminished by the scalloped edge.
What other advantages could this shape bring?
Would it be this surface area that's important? Dimensions are a bit rough, but maybe 5-10% extra cooling for the Merc? (If cooling is proportional to surface area.)

http://u.cubeupload.com/ChrisDanger/W07BrakeDisk.png
That's not how cooling works. The Surface area where the air is "touching" the hot material is important.

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Maybe it just helps the air flow away from the edge when the disc runs through the caliper. It's probably a minor improvement but any improvement is a good thing.
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isn't it strange how merc are quite often reporting a technical problem in one of their cars, yet they always seem to get repaired by putting on another setting, with little to no performance loss?
strange, given when any other team has a technical problem, they start to rapidly lose their pace and most of the time they can't fix it at all without changing parts.
it's very strange to me.

it's also strange how they're always faster than others. in practice, the difference can even be very small, but come quali and they're mostly atleast a second ahead of any team.

and yet the car doesn't have any visible tricks to it, like an f-duct or whatever we've had in the past. in fact, it looks simple to me. the way other teams are reporting their HP gains on new engines, merc should be around 1200bhp by now! that's about 450bhp above of what the regulations were supposed to be designed for, an engine of around 750bhp. fuel flow limits and all that.

i think merc have found that loophole or whatever. and f1 is dirty. the term "motorsport" doesn't apply to f1.
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ChrisDanger wrote:
hollus wrote:The article cites increased surface as an advantage. The increase in surface would appear to be rather minimal and one would think that most cooling is via flow through the holes anyways, and that exchange surface is being diminished by the scalloped edge.
What other advantages could this shape bring?
Would it be this surface area that's important? Dimensions are a bit rough, but maybe 5-10% extra cooling for the Merc? (If cooling is proportional to surface area.)

http://u.cubeupload.com/ChrisDanger/W07BrakeDisk.png
We get that!
But that 5 to 10% increase is good for the exit only, for the hole we actually see. The whole duct beneath has the same width as before, the 7.03 mm*2

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Does anyone know why mercedes is using 3 air speed sensors? verification?

[img]file:///C:/Users/Kunde/Desktop/Merc.JPG[/img]


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Blankow wrote:Does anyone know why mercedes is using 3 air speed sensors? verification?

[url]file:///C:/Users/Kunde/Desktop/Merc.JPG[/url]
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