Miguel wrote:CMSMJ1 wrote:I am sure you are enough of a veteran to remember when the only number change was between the championship winning team and the previous champions. The "winningest" numbers, I guess, will be 1,2,5,6,27,28,11,12 as this was when McLaren, Williams, Lotus and Ferrari were sharing all the wins and when the titel was decied one of the teams swapped numbers.
I followed very little of that era. Although my father did watch F1 before, and I have memories of McLarens driven by Prost and Senna going down Mirabeau, I only started following F1 actively in 1994 (I was 13 back then).Hence Tyrell were 3+4 for ever and Ferrari were 27+28, until Prost took the no1 and left McLaren with then 27+28, which then swapped back @ Suzuka with Senna taking Prost out.
I don't recall when the process changed and numbers issued equated to the constructors position. Anybody know when and why this was changed?
Ferrari used to be 11 and 12. At least Gilles drove Ferrari nº 12 when Jody Scheckter won his WDC. Alan Jones won in 1980, and so Williams got 1 and 2 and Ferrari got 27 and 28.
However, what I had in mind when I mentioned nº 5 was Jim Clark in a british racing green lotus. Back then, teams didn't have allocated numbers, and even changed between races. I've read that sometimes the organisers gave the numbers according to inscription order. I desperately wish that Ferrari holds to 3rd place, so that maybe Alonso will have nº 5 next year (kinda childish, I know).
Back on topic, I don't expect such a strong showing by McLaren in Suzuka. By no means do I expect the "suckage" seen in Silverstone, and Lewis might sneak into the podium, but I expect them to be around 6-8th place. KERS plus a strong engine will certainly help between Spoon and Turn 1 (senna versus prost corner). The esses in sector 1 will probably be troublesome.
Finally, I am astonished by the number of upgrades McLaren have introduced to fix their car throughout the year.
ringo wrote:The question should be: will fisichella do enough to score some points to prevent Mclaren from finishing third?
Even if Mclaren are under par at suzuka, which i don't think will happen, Heiki and hamilton is should be able to make up some points on kimi. And we all know kimi is not winning that race against the likes of Brawn, RBR, williams and even Toyota.
wesley123 wrote:Really, what you saying aint true, McLaren has a even chance as brawn and RB to finsih on the podium, also do not exclude toyota, williams and renault, they all seem to be going better and better so it can be a exciting race.
arporter wrote:According to formula1.com McLaren used a new symmetrical diffuser in Singapore.
richard_leeds wrote:arporter wrote:According to formula1.com McLaren used a new symmetrical diffuser in Singapore.
That V shaped deck makes it seem less cavernous than the previous version. Is that an illusion? Is it a lower volume but more effective design?
ISLAMATRON wrote:I think that was about sacrificing efficiency for maximum downforce... it seemed like they "closed" off the trailing edge of the DDD with gurney flaps, and those give some serious DF... but increase drag tremendously... but not something they are too worried bout at Singapore or Monaco.
richard_leeds wrote:ISLAMATRON wrote:I think that was about sacrificing efficiency for maximum downforce... it seemed like they "closed" off the trailing edge of the DDD with gurney flaps, and those give some serious DF... but increase drag tremendously... but not something they are too worried bout at Singapore or Monaco.
So back to the cavern for suzuka?
mx_tifosi wrote:McLaren wheels in Japan.
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