Ferrari team principal Maurizio Arrivabene said after the bittersweet Monaco GP that his team won’t give up on this year’s championship as the season is still in its early phase. The team is preparing developments for the forthcoming race in Canada.
Manoah2u wrote:Either way, Hamilton is now 24 points away from Rosberg if i'm correct. That means that if next race Lewis wins, and Nico gets his share of technical problem and gets a DNF then Lewis is 1 point in front of him and leading the Championship.
I'm thinking Lewis' confidence will have a massive leap forward now.
Only thing i really really did NOT like was that sack of sh*t Bieber so present there......
RedBull screwed up. that issue with the tires for such a team is frankly unforgivable. Had he had the tires ready, he would have won this race by a big margin. Drove his heart out.
If RedBull are fearing Ric is heading towards Ferrari, they pretty much just gave him a ticket there now by digging their own grave and screwing him over. good luck on fixing that.
Got to agree with all your points but especially the Bieber one.
I just watched the Monaco race again I DVR'd it. So I was able to watch it again and I can't belive Sergio Perez now has 6 podiums and still not a highly rated driver despite his young age he's been in the sport for 6 years and he ended his year at McLaren being faster then Button and last year he ended being faster then Nico. Now this season so far he is starting to be faster then Hulk.
He was 3 seconds faster during most of the race then Daniel and Hamilton which is how he was able to go from 8th to 3rd.
In the yellow colored compound.
I say Ferrari needs to take back it's Academy Driver he would make a good partner for Vettel.
I'm sure Vettel is better but Sergio being young he could learn alot and drive as a great second driver I mean it's not like Kimi is doing any good anymore. Vettel is considereably better then Kimi and Perez is a solid young driver better then most and he won't make stupid mistakes.
Monaco is a great track and to be driving a car like the Force India in a slower compound and be 3 seconds faster for most of the race then anyone else.....
Well that's just impressive I'm a Hulk/Perez fan and I'm glad Force India has both my drivers....
Haha for the Record I'm not a Force India Fan they just have the both drivers I like.
FoxHound wrote:I also think you are forgetting that Verstappen is not a seasoned vetran but an 18 year old learning his trade at the top level, very publicly.
....and yet, he is in a top team now and has responsibilities, as a driver and as a team player in a front running team. The crashes he had, or spinning out of control , are the result of that aggression he is portraying. If he doesnt mature, i'm not sure he will keep that seat.
This crash he had was yet another somewhat predictable and totally unnecessary shunt. Just look at last years race to watch the very same drama and predictability unfold. One would think that after already making mistakes in practice and qualifying, the boy would learn to be a bit wiser.... go back a few pages to before the race and you'll see that i even predicted him crashing. I'd have even betted money on it. Him, in RedBull starting behind in Monaco? It was bound to happen and sadly, he proved it. At this point, i do wonder, if it wasnt for the hype surrounding him, would he really have gotten that seat?
Your predicted an 18 year old crashing around Monaco. Not exactly a bold prediction is it.
It seems you are blaming verstappen for bagging a Red Bull seat. It was his performances in lesser machinery against a highly rated team mate that put him in contention, directly contradicting you.
It was also not his decision to make regarding the swap. That lies with Red Bull management.
Expecting the youngest ever winner of an F1 race, at the age of 18, to display the racecraft of a seasoned veteran?
By that measure we should get drones to drive the cars!!
Red Bull has revealed that Daniel Ricciardo's pitstop blunder that cost him victory in the Monaco Grand Prix was triggered by his tyres being stuck at the back of the garage.
the sad thing, if they would have fitted the softs (that they were about to fit until they had to wait for the SS) he would probably have won.
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.
FoxHound wrote:I also think you are forgetting that Verstappen is not a seasoned vetran but an 18 year old learning his trade at the top level, very publicly.
....and yet, he is in a top team now and has responsibilities, as a driver and as a team player in a front running team. The crashes he had, or spinning out of control , are the result of that aggression he is portraying. If he doesnt mature, i'm not sure he will keep that seat.
This crash he had was yet another somewhat predictable and totally unnecessary shunt. Just look at last years race to watch the very same drama and predictability unfold. One would think that after already making mistakes in practice and qualifying, the boy would learn to be a bit wiser.... go back a few pages to before the race and you'll see that i even predicted him crashing. I'd have even betted money on it. Him, in RedBull starting behind in Monaco? It was bound to happen and sadly, he proved it. At this point, i do wonder, if it wasnt for the hype surrounding him, would he really have gotten that seat?
Your predicted an 18 year old crashing around Monaco. Not exactly a bold prediction is it.
It seems you are blaming verstappen for bagging a Red Bull seat. It was his performances in lesser machinery against a highly rated team mate that put him in contention, directly contradicting you.
It was also not his decision to make regarding the swap. That lies with Red Bull management.
Expecting the youngest ever winner of an F1 race, at the age of 18, to display the racecraft of a seasoned veteran?
By that measure we should get drones to drive the cars!!
If you look at the different styles of the teams how to handle their young drivers, RedBull gives them (Vettel, Riccardo, Verstappen) the best material as soon as it's available and so far it paid off.
Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren for instance, tend to want their drivers to mature in other series or cars for a while (Wehrlein, Diresta, Heidfeld, Vandoorne), and they never really made it. They took a gamble with Hamilton and it did pay off! Other drivers who did seem to young for f1 at the time: Button, Raikkonen and to a lesser degree, Alonso. Or the "idiotic" decision to put a German youngster straight from F3 in a Jordan...
If you look at the past, don't waist your young talents! RedBull just took it to the extreme.
Yes, the lesson here is that young drivers learn their trade as they go. And where Ricciardo was racing in lower categories at the age of 18, he was making mistakes with more leeway. Verstappen is under the F1 microscope which is far more intense.
Phil wrote:I re-watched the race yesterday. Somethings that became more clear:
- Hamilton pitted ahead of Ricciardo for slicks, which meant theoretically, Ham under normal conditions was ahead
- Ricciardo had the horrendous pit-stop, that surprisingly led to a very close race for the lead and track position
- once Ricciardo came out of the pits, he [Hamilton] was ahead by quite a margin by the time he reached the casino
I conclude from this, that under these circumstances, pitting later was always going to be better, since the slick tires was always going to be slower than the tire before it, due to A.) track being cold and wet and B.) the slick tires taking some time to get into the right operating window. Another factor; Ricciardo's SS were on temperature much quicker than Hamilton's US, which is how he closed that gap rather quickly after coming out the pits.
Hamilton after putting on ultras lost 1.5s to ric in 2nd sector and about 4s in 3rd sector. That's why they were close at pit exit despite ric's slow stop.
Racer X wrote:He was 3 seconds faster during most of the race then Daniel and Hamilton which is how he was able to go from 8th to 3rd.
In the yellow colored compound.
Dont want to take anything away from Perezs fantastic drive, but there is a bit of context missing here. Perez aced the pitstop window on both occasions and it was also Rosbergs lack of pace (bunching up the field behind) that lead to this extraordinary result. The reason why he was faster than both Hamilton and Ricciardo in the 2nd half of the race is because the former (Ham) was trying to eak out his tires to make them last to the end and the latter (Ric) was limited by that pace directly behind him. Amazing performance by Sergio though none-the-less.
Not for nothing, Rosberg's Championship is the only thing that lends credibility to Hamilton's recent success. Otherwise, he'd just be the guy who's had the best car. — bhall II #Team44 supporter
GrayGreat wrote:Does anyone know what the problem was with Rosberg's car? He was slow, and his tires were completely gone at the end of the race while Hamilton's were setting fastest laps, which means Hamilton was pushing really hard and Rosberg wasn't, because he was stuck behind Alonso. Something fundamentally wrong with the car or just bad driving? Rosberg said he doesn't know why the pace wasn't there and have to look at the data. What could it be?
It has been suggested (in a BBC article) that Mercedes changed the cars' setups to make them more "pointy" to try to catch the RedBull's pace a bit. Rosberg didn't feel quite so confident in the car after that and so could not go quite quickly enough to keep the tyres and brakes at the correct temperatures. The result of that was an immediate loss of lap time.
Rosberg is an analytical driver who likes to build the pace in the car from data; once he is confident in what the car will do he can unleash his own speed. Hamilton is more of a "seat of the pants" driver. In Monaco, on Sunday, the "feel" driver had the advantage because of the changes made to the cars. It appears to be as simple as that.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.
Racer X wrote:He was 3 seconds faster during most of the race then Daniel and Hamilton which is how he was able to go from 8th to 3rd.
In the yellow colored compound.
Dont want to take anything away from Perezs fantastic drive, but there is a bit of context missing here. Perez aced the pitstop window on both occasions and it was also Rosbergs lack of pace (bunching up the field behind) that lead to this extraordinary result. The reason why he was faster than both Hamilton and Ricciardo in the 2nd half of the race is because the former (Ham) was trying to eak out his tires to make them last to the end and the latter (Ric) was limited by that pace directly behind him. Amazing performance by Sergio though none-the-less.
It's not luck anymore that Perez steps up the podium at least once a year and not Hulk.
Always fun to see a Grand Prix like this, drives are ranked more then just raw pace with the data teams behind them. The "seat of the pants" drivers come out. Hamilton, Riccardo, Perez and until his crash, Verstappen (his real fault was crashing in Q1).
Kvyat his frustrations cost him dearly, these would be the races where you can shine.
I presume, with the Rosberg contract negotiations going on, Wehrlein might not be the boy-wonder Toto thought he would be. Very off topic, but if Rosberg would leave Mercedes, I can see Bottas (who is under Wolff management) fill his place like Heikki did in 2008.
Racer X wrote:I just watched the Monaco race again I DVR'd it. So I was able to watch it again and I can't belive Sergio Perez now has 6 podiums and still not a highly rated driver despite his young age he's been in the sport for 6 years and he ended his year at McLaren being faster then Button and last year he ended being faster then Nico. Now this season so far he is starting to be faster then Hulk.
He was 3 seconds faster during most of the race then Daniel and Hamilton which is how he was able to go from 8th to 3rd.
In the yellow colored compound.
I say Ferrari needs to take back it's Academy Driver he would make a good partner for Vettel.
I'm sure Vettel is better but Sergio being young he could learn alot and drive as a great second driver I mean it's not like Kimi is doing any good anymore. Vettel is considereably better then Kimi and Perez is a solid young driver better then most and he won't make stupid mistakes.
Monaco is a great track and to be driving a car like the Force India in a slower compound and be 3 seconds faster for most of the race then anyone else.....
Well that's just impressive I'm a Hulk/Perez fan and I'm glad Force India has both my drivers....
Haha for the Record I'm not a Force India Fan they just have the both drivers I like.
As for Perez remember he was already on the radar 3 years ago, but when you are along Jenson who is saying you are too aggressive even if you are talented, all the paddock started to think he is not good enough for Ferrari. This guy has a serious pace when the car is good, reminds me Kimi at Lotus. Do not forget that he is also in competition with Hulk who many people he deserves a Ferrari seat. Can he go back as a Mc Laren driver again
“And suddenly I realized that I was no longer driving the car consciously. I was driving it by a kind of instinct, only I was in a different dimension.”
― Ayrton Senna
Daniil Kvyat. He's ending his career all on his own. you'd expect him to sort out his issues but he's getting even worse.
2nd worst driver of the day:
Ericsson. What the fuzz. He's a trash driver and was driving like a moron all sunday, him being faster than Nasr may have been true, but it's still racing. Nasr had the right to be there and it's silly as fuzz that the team ordered a pass for Nasr. it's places p15 and p16 for crying out loud. Hotheaded imbecile Ericsson putting his frustrated car in a corner where it's absolutely impossible and then completely wrecks both cars. well done idiot, not only was it unneccesarily to fight for p15/16, you now managed to wreck 2 saubers which allready cost a fortune that the team can't afford and has made a fool of themselves publicaly destroying any chance on getting worthy sponsors, and gained license points and a grid penalty. That'll work well in canada, where you are already a sitting duck.
3rd worst driver of the day:
Magnussen. what the hell were you doing.
4th worst driver of the day:
Raikkonen. what was that all about!
BEST driver of the day:
Ricciardo. Drove like a champ and deserved the win fair and square. most unlucky too with that pitstop screwover.
2nd best driver of the day:
Perez. what else to say.
Driver that managed to destroy everything for himself:
Verstappen. I sincerely hope now he's had a podium he's not heading the same direction as his father. Jos was a magnificient driver but ended off-track way too much.
His Monaco weekend was a mess, he was in the barriers way too much. The practice incident was forgivable, his qually crash was just plain stupid, it was marginal, but
he was way too agressive, me thinks he was too shark hungry for making a name for himself @ monaco. Race started great, drove spectaculary through the field,
overtaking like a boss (like his father 'Jos the Boss') but again screwing up at the same corner as in practice is just plain stupid at that point in the race. it was dry, zero
excuse to slam into the barriers that way. Should've kept his calm, as it was unlikely he was able to get much further up the field.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"
GrayGreat wrote:Who is crashtor? Kvyat or Verstappen?
Max crashed in FP, crashed in qualifying, and crashed in the race too. Also crashed in past season race here with Grosjean.
I think that´s a crash rate wich deserve crashtor title
Maybe we need a point scoring system of crashes here somewhere, with positive points (like rolling the car) and negative (taking someone out when being a lap down). And, don't forget, double point for crashing during a exebition.
This way it could be quite close between the both of them
FoxHound wrote:It seems you are blaming verstappen for bagging a Red Bull seat. It was his performances in lesser machinery against a highly rated team mate that put him in contention, directly contradicting you.
Sorry but that´s not true, Carlos Sainz has never been considered a top class driver. Actually everybody was conviced Max would anihilate Carlos. He didn´t. Actually only a higher rate of mechanical problems for the spanish togheter with STR favouring Max allowed the dutch to score more points. For example, his best result (5th in Hungary) was only after STR favoured him when Carlos was in front of him. STR called Max first so he did an undercut to Carlos.
So reality is he never outlined a driver who was never considered a top class driver.
I must say I´m glad about RBR move, because now I can solve my doubt. Is Max as good as some think what would mean Carlos is a lot better than I thought? Or Max is overrated and neither of them is that good?
Thanks to RBR now we can compare both of them with Ric and Kvyat and solve it
