andartop wrote:Maldonado fined and reprimanded:
andartop wrote:GrizzleBoy wrote:andartop wrote:As for the Maldonado-Perez incident, I can't see what was different to the Maldonado-Hamilton incident in Valencia. I thought we had agreed that the defending driver can hold on to the racing line and is not obliged to leave space on the outside at the exit of the corner? Wasn't that exactly what Hamilton did to Maldonado in Valencia? I'm not trying to ignite things here, I honestly don't understand the difference.
The difference is that:
A: There was TONNES of room for Perez to make his move. There was NONE for Maldonado in Valencia.
B: Lewis defended his position without trashing another car. Maldonados defense ended up with him running into another car (yet again).
You really dont see ANY differences there?
A. There was no room for Maldonado in Valencia because Lewis left no room for him by going wide on the exit and pushing him off the track. Mind you, the line Lewis took was not the racing line, as the next corner was a tight left. Watch Vettel's pole lap for example. To clarify, I'm talking about the first part of that incident, where Maldonado was pushed off the track, not when he rejoined onto Lewis.
B. Lewis did not trash Maldonado on that corner because Maldonado went off the track. Had Perez done the same today there would have been no crash.
From the regulations point of view, I don't see ANY difference at all. You either have to leave room for the overtaking car on the exit or you don't. If you don't, it should be Perez who should be punished today. If you do, Lewis should have also been questioned by the stewards in Valencia for running wide on the exit of the first corner and pushing Maldonado off the track!
stefan_ wrote:Well, some well-placed money allowed Maldonado to race in Monaco after he almost killed a marshall, so...
The thing is that it appears like they are erasing his (very) dumb moves and racing style with money and that is not a very good message Formula 1 transmits.
andartop wrote:@ Grizzleboy
Sorry but it's you who seems not to understand what I'm talking about.
The rules clearly state that the defender needs to leave enough room for another car at the corner entry.
Following the Valencia incident, quite a few forum members suggested this does not apply to the corner exit.
In Valencia, the defender (Lewis) followed a wide line on the exit, and the attacker went off the track to avoid contact. That was 1 corner prior to the incident. I did clarify I am talking about the corner before the contact, but you seem to have missed this point.
In Silverstone the defender lost traction and went wide on the exit, the attacker kept his line and there was contact.
I am not talking about the rule regarding "avoidable collisions", as this may be interpreted at will anyway. I am talking about the rule regarding "leaving enough space".
Hope this helps.
zyphro wrote:Did Alonso lose the race on strategy? It appeared to me that, the Ferrari was too slow on the softer compound which is what lost them the race?
FrukostScones wrote:If you have a reasonable explaination for the Ferrari strategy come forward.
FrukostScones wrote:zyphro wrote:Did Alonso lose the race on strategy? It appeared to me that, the Ferrari was too slow on the softer compound which is what lost them the race?
I love how they used Massa as guinea pig (by letting him start on softs!).
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/07/w ... e-victory/
If you have a reasonable explaination for the Ferrari strategy come forward.
andartop wrote:@ Grizzleboy
Agreed. I just define as corner entry the whole part leading up to the apex. So in the first case the defender closed the door during the corner by choosing to run wide, in the second case the defender run wide accidentally. The only difference being the width of the corner. I don't think the rules differentiate between wide and narrow corners, do they? In both cases there was enough space for 2 cars to make it through side by side, as we saw with previous overtakes. So, what was the difference then?
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