2012 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa

[strad]

I'd like to see the telemetry...I still think Pastor, however inadvertently, cut a perfect light...It appears worse because everyone else was slow getting away.

[amouzouris]

I'd like to see the telemetry...I still think Pastor, however inadvertently, cut a perfect light...It appears worse because everyone else was slow getting away.

Sky F1 analysed it after the race an he started before the red lights where off

[stefan_]

Telemetry bullcrap - if you see Charlie shake his head or point the finger, then it's a jump start.

Or you can look here. Nowhere near the lights, and Pastor himself told the media that "the hand slid off the clutch leiver" before the lights went off and if Pastor admits it, than it really happened.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_CBeq01OoU[/youtube]

[Richard]

Oh Richard. This is a McLaren thread and here you are trying to turn it into a Maldonado subject. Have to report this 'off topic' comment!

oops! I had too many tabs open and clicked on the wrong one - this conversation should be in the race thread.

... it is now

[myurr]

I'd like to see the telemetry...I still think Pastor, however inadvertently, cut a perfect light...It appears worse because everyone else was slow getting away.

Sky had an overhead shot that showed Pastor was already a couple of metres out of his pit box by the time the lights went out. It was a lot closer than it first appeared, given the size of his advantage, but it was clear cut. He had a couple of metres of movement PLUS the time it took everyone else to react to the lights going out.

The starts are electronically monitored so if someone jump starts the FIA know about it with a very high degree of accuracy.

[Dragonfly]

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The starts are electronically monitored so if someone jump starts the FIA know about it with a very high degree of accuracy.

This is really clear cut and any doubt is just a fan frustration.

[beelsebob]

I'd like to see the telemetry...I still think Pastor, however inadvertently, cut a perfect light...It appears worse because everyone else was slow getting away.

You can see in the video above that his wheels start to move 1-2 frames before the lights change. He was *really* close, but he did jump it by about 0.04 seconds.

[Richard]

As I recall from Alonso’s jump start in China 2010, there are sensors in the grid under each car that are used to monitor jump starts. It’s a pretty clear cut decision for the stewards & teams.

The jump start is based on car movement relative to the tarmac, the driver can do whatever they want with the brakes and clutch, as long as the car doesn't move.

[raymondu999]

Interestingly - if you move before the lights go out, but stop yourself while you're still behind the box - ie you gained no position, track position wise, I believe it's no penalty. Watch Suzuka 2010 - Vettel rolls off pole before the lights go out, but he stops himself before the car leaves the grid slot (his front wing is still behind the white line). He did the stop before the red lights disappeared. No penalty.

[Richard]

I guess it is because he was stationary when the lights went out - noting wrong with that.

[Shrieker]

How Maldondo retired:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/05/f ... ash-glock/

[andrewf1]

How Maldondo retired:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/05/f ... ash-glock/

Oh Maldonado.... lol

[RB7ate9]

How Maldondo retired:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/05/f ... ash-glock/

It annoyed me so much how poorly Spa was covered by SpeedTV. Lap after lap of procession was shown, then cut to Maldonaldo on the side of the track and THEY NEVER SHOWED WHAT HAPPENED. Ridiculous. On top of that, with the last half-dozen laps left in the race, Webber leads Massa, then Massa LEADS Webber? How did that happen? When did that happen? With so little actually happening on the track, how could they not bother to show Massa gaining a position on #2 in the WDC?

Aggravating.

[NonNewtonic]

How Maldondo retired:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/05/f ... ash-glock/

It annoyed me so much how poorly Spa was covered by SpeedTV. Lap after lap of procession was shown, then cut to Maldonaldo on the side of the track and THEY NEVER SHOWED WHAT HAPPENED. Ridiculous. On top of that, with the last half-dozen laps left in the race, Webber leads Massa, then Massa LEADS Webber? How did that happen? When did that happen? With so little actually happening on the track, how could they not bother to show Massa gaining a position on #2 in the WDC?

Aggravating.

The broadcast of the F1 races are not contolled by SpeedTV its directed by a team under Formula One so you can't blame SpeedTV for that

[RB7ate9]

How Maldondo retired:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/09/05/f ... ash-glock/

It annoyed me so much how poorly Spa was covered by SpeedTV. Lap after lap of procession was shown, then cut to Maldonaldo on the side of the track and THEY NEVER SHOWED WHAT HAPPENED. Ridiculous. On top of that, with the last half-dozen laps left in the race, Webber leads Massa, then Massa LEADS Webber? How did that happen? When did that happen? With so little actually happening on the track, how could they not bother to show Massa gaining a position on #2 in the WDC?

Aggravating.

The broadcast of the F1 races are not contolled by SpeedTV its directed by a team under Formula One so you can't blame SpeedTV for that

Roger that. Aggravated at SOMEONE!