2012 Indian Grand Prix - Buddh

[raymondu999]

I must say i am a bit surprised that the pole lap wasn't challenged, as vettel had all 4 wheels off of the race track on the inside curb coming out of a chicane, apparently he gained nothing, but having said that the fact is he left the track on a timed lap, the logic does not make sense to me. You must complete a lap within the confines of the white lines for it to be classified as a lap? Some good wishy-wassy rules coming into play again

If a car cuts the corner like that, but his front tyres rejoin the circuit before the rears leave the circuit, it's legal. I'm not saying that's what happened as we don't have the proper camera angles, but throwing a possibility out.

[mzivtins]

Ah good point! I guess it is very easier to watch for '4 wheels off the track' in a uni-directional kind of way, this must be what the stewards have seen, and yes, probably does show that at any given time there was at least 1 wheel within the white line. It would be great to see this on video for closure

[raymondu999]

IMO what the stewards look for is unfair advantage. Look over the years - if there's a corner everyone cuts, they don't really care

[banibhusan]

For example turn 7 at Brazil. Everyone goes outside the whiteline there.

[raymondu999]

Which one is Turn 7? Is that the right hand hairpin?

Look at how people took Turn 8 Barcelona before 2011.

[Gerhardsa]

Which one is Turn 7? Is that the right hand hairpin?

Actually Turn 8 If im not mistaken
T 6 and 7 (fast righthander before hairpin) is actually one corner when you drive, but classified as two I think

[diffuser]

Was I the only one to notice Alo running consistently low 1.30 lap time till Webber had his KERS problem. Then all of a sudden he was doing low 1.29s ?

[turbof1]

Was I the only one to notice Alo running consistently low 1.30 lap time till Webber had his KERS problem. Then all of a sudden he was doing low 1.29s ?

He was probably noticing at the beginning of his second stint that passing Webber would be very difficult. So he backed off, conserving tyres for a final push in the final stages. Then came Webber his problem and it was a matter of pushing again.

[diffuser]

This is from F1LT which I have running when I watch Quali/races

LAP   POS        GAP      Time         Diff.   S1     S2     S3
60	2	9.4	1:28.630    -0.000	43.5	23.1	21.8
59	2	9.5	1:28.972	0.342	43.6	23.3	21.8
58	2	10.2	1:29.368	0.738	43.7	23.5	22.0
57	2	10.6	1:29.328	0.698	43.8	23.5	21.9
56	2	10.8	1:30.027	1.397	44.0	23.4	22.5
55	2	9.8	1:29.483	0.853	43.6	23.5	22.3
54	2	9.5	1:29.352	0.722	43.8	23.4	22.0
53	2	9.8	1:29.399	0.769	43.8	23.5	22.0
52	2	10.2	1:29.188	0.558	43.6	23.5	21.9
51	2	11.1	1:29.305	0.675	43.7	23.5	21.9
50	2	11.2	1:29.363	0.733	43.8	23.5	21.9
49	2	11.3	1:29.236	0.606	43.6	23.5	21.9
48	2	11.9	1:29.456	0.826	43.4	23.8	22.0
47	3	11.9	1:30.245	1.615	44.0	23.8	22.3
46	3	12.0	1:30.188	1.558	43.7	23.8	22.5
45	3	11.9	1:29.944	1.314	43.9	23.8	22.2
44	3	12.2	1:29.901	1.271	43.8	23.8	22.1
43	3	12.7	1:30.038	1.408	43.8	23.8	22.2
42	3	13.1	1:30.098	1.468	43.8	23.9	22.2
41	3	13.1	1:30.261	1.631	43.8	24.0	22.3
40	3	12.8	1:30.544	1.914	44.0	24.1	22.3

See the big jump in lap time on lap 48, then the push after.

[f1316]

Was I the only one to notice Alo running consistently low 1.30 lap time till Webber had his KERS problem. Then all of a sudden he was doing low 1.29s ?

He was probably noticing at the beginning of his second stint that passing Webber would be very difficult. So he backed off, conserving tyres for a final push in the final stages. Then came Webber his problem and it was a matter of pushing again.

Or conserving fuel

[turbof1]

Was I the only one to notice Alo running consistently low 1.30 lap time till Webber had his KERS problem. Then all of a sudden he was doing low 1.29s ?

He was probably noticing at the beginning of his second stint that passing Webber would be very difficult. So he backed off, conserving tyres for a final push in the final stages. Then came Webber his problem and it was a matter of pushing again.

Or conserving fuel

It did not look like he had to. He was quick to pick up the pace when ferrari got to know about webber's kers problem, and he was pushing like hell when vettel was suddenly scraping his floor.
I mean obviously you are conserving fuel too, but he wasn't underfueled like massa was. It wasn't critical at all.

[amouzouris]

In the live race feed when Vettel's floor was scraping the track, his front wing was resonating (fluttering) although not like Massa's one last year, as i am sure you all remember. The amplitude of the oscillations were far smaller. In the video posted because of bad quality you are not able to see it...if anyone finds or has a video of better quality please post it hear! I would like to have another look at it!

[aral]

1) Vettel was on the fuel limit - he needed Webber to push him into PF to ensure he had a sample left

That was just a bit of showboating by Mark! Seb had plenty of fuel. Had he been short, he would have backed off and shortshifted, which he didnt. In fact, during the latter part of the race, he was told that there were no fuel issues. He even went for fastest lap at the end, which you certainly would not do if fuel was marginal.

[andrewf1]

1) Vettel was on the fuel limit - he needed Webber to push him into PF to ensure he had a sample left

That was just a bit of showboating by Mark! Seb had plenty of fuel. Had he been short, he would have backed off and shortshifted, which he didnt. In fact, during the latter part of the race, he was told that there were no fuel issues. He even went for fastest lap at the end, which you certainly would not do if fuel was marginal.

Also, you don't need a fuel sample at the end of the race, only after qualifying.

[irang]

It has nothing to do with fuel. It was just a mistake by Vettel.

Q: Were you actually being pushed in by Mark at the end there, back into the pits? Had you ran out of fuel?
SV: Ah yes! I switched off the car. I was told to park the car under the podium but I didn't know how far away it was. I didn't remember that from last year. I think it's the only big mistake that happened to us this weekend. But it didn't really matter and Mark gave me a push. He's quite popular for those sort of things. I think he gave Fernando a lift last year in Nürburgring when he had to stop on track. Yeah, gave me a little bit of a push to make it to Park Ferme to stop the car. Thank You.