2013 Monaco Grand Prix

[komninosm]

I'm quite sure that once a car has the entry and apex covered, he has right of choice from apex to exit, no? Hence why you see so many people run others off on the exit of Spa's busstop chicane.

He still doesn't have the right to push another car off track though if it's along side him.
Perez pushed Kimi off track the first time when he blocked his tries and went off track. Case closed imo.

[SectorOne]

20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the
edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

[GrizzleBoy]

20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the
edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Given that the contact between Kimi and Sergio was wheel to wheel, that would put Kimi in the wrong.

Which is why almost everybody will ignore it.

[beelsebob]

20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving
back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least
one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the
edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Given that the contact between Kimi and Sergio was wheel to wheel, that would put Kimi in the wrong.

Which is why almost everybody will ignore it.

We had this discussion for pages on end. Richard asked us to not start it again.

p.s. you're dead right.

[RubberSoul]

The FIA rules are simply incredibly vague and thus leave a lot of space for interpretation.
IMO, in order to understand them, some sort of "what does this mean" or a kind of "general racing etiquette" is needed.
In another forum an example of the latter was mentioned stating:

"If for any reason, the overtaking driver is not fully alongside of the driver being passed, at the turn-in point, the corner does not belong to the driver who is attempting to overtake. In this case it is the obligation of the overtaking driver to give the other competitor room and do everything possible not to create an incident."

The rule 20.4 is meant for straights and before braking areas (as clearly stated in the rule) and thus it is not applicable here.

[beelsebob]

The FIA rules are simply incredibly vague and thus leave a lot of space for interpretation.
IMO, in order to undertstand them, some sort of "what does this mean" or a kind of "general racing etiquette" is needed.
In another forum an example of the latter was mentioned stating:

"If for any reason, the overtaking driver is not fully alongside of the driver being passed, at the turn-in point, the corner does not belong to the driver who is attempting to overtake. In this case it is the obligation of the overtaking driver to give the other competitor room and do everything possible not to create an incident."

The rule 20.4 is meant for straights and before braking areas (as clearly stated in the rule) and thus it is not applicable here.

They were still in front of the turn in point even when they collided, and before the breaking point when kimi started moving across, so it absolutely does apply.

[SectorOne]

Kimi had the right to move over as he made one move from right to left.
In reality Perez tried to get into a gap that was shrinking before he even went on the brakes.
Someone with more experience would have bailed instantly, went right and taken the corner properly and maybe set up a better exit out of the chicane.

[Richard]

Oh dear. We get a few of these every year. The 2011 season was a vintage thanks to Mr Hamilton.

Unfortunately these debates go on and on and on and on....

... unless ....


Oh look! It's stopped!