Monaco GP 2010 - Monte Carlo

[andartop]

For one thing I'm sure, Alonso and Schumacher together totally wrecked the 2010 Monaco GP thread..

[vall]

for doing what? What he has done wrong and was not punished for it? He did not do many wrong things anyway. I would say compared to MS, Alonso is a innocent sheep.

Well, I understand perfectly well that the Schumacher fans would never forgive Mikka and Fernando for what they did to their idol, but please, try to be a bit more realistic....

Totally off topic, but I can remember a couple of things, well, I guess everyone here remembers.

In 2007 when he turned his back to McLaren he got away with 109 points and almost won the WDC, meanwhile his team was severly punished.

are you talking about McLaren, the team that first turned its back to him and IMO should have been excluded from 2007 and 2008 champs? Are you actually blaming Alonso for what McLaten did?

One year later, again, in the middle Briatore-Piquet scandal he was the only one who hasn´t any trouble, having being the beneficiary of Piquet´s Crash.

these is single evidence that Alonso was involved.

At least, Schumacher make his moves on the track at the sight of everyone and taking the risk of being punished.

I guess you are implying Alonso plays games behind the scenes, but again there is not proof or what so ever. He won everything he did on track, while MS was involved in some of the most controversial events in F1. The ban of the mass-dumpe comes to mind and it is quite clear who benefited of this. IMHO, after 1997 MS should have received 2 yeaR ban from the motor sport. He blatantly tried to take out his competitor to win the WCD. For me such an act is of the same magnitude as getting caught doping in athletics, and for this you get 2 year ban......

[mx_tifoso]

For one thing I'm sure, Alonso and Schumacher together totally wrecked the 2010 Monaco GP thread..

Yes, if this continues I will lock this one as well.

The post above this one is a prime example of what not to do. I don't mean to single you out Vall, but it was the closest example.

So, discuss events pertaining to the 2010 Monaco GP or this thread will be locked.

[vall]

For one thing I'm sure, Alonso and Schumacher together totally wrecked the 2010 Monaco GP thread..

Yes, if this continues I will lock this one as well.

The post above this one is a prime example of what not to do. I don't mean to single you out Vall, but it was the closest example.

So, discuss events pertaining to the 2010 Monaco GP or this thread will be locked.

yeah, shame on us the tread indeed drifted from its main point - Monaco 2010.

Back on topic. It seems that Barrichello's crash was caused be loose drain cover I thought they carefully check these things before the races... It is a shame things like that happen......

[lebesset]

they don't check the drain covers before the race...they weld them down...supposedly

if I remember correctly , earlier in the race there was a yellow flag in this area , with a report of a loose drain cover ...then the flag disappeared , all ok

?????

incidentally , the title of this thread is wrong , should be monaco GP
monte carlo is one area of monaco [ the hill where the casino stands ] , and if memory serves correctly the GP isn't just held there

[TheRMVR]

they don't check the drain covers before the race...they weld them down...supposedly

if I remember correctly , earlier in the race there was a yellow flag in this area , with a report of a loose drain cover ...then the flag disappeared , all ok

?????

incidentally , the title of this thread is wrong , should be monaco GP
monte carlo is one area of monaco [ the hill where the casino stands ] , and if memory serves correctly the GP isn't just held there

It is officially the Monaco Grand Prix but most of the circuit is in an area called Monte Carlo, so it's the Monaco Grand Prix in the streets of Monte Carlo.

[lebesset]

where do you get that idea ? the whole of the port /swimming pool/pits/shopping area etc is in la condamine , which originally was the agricultural area below the town ..so the race is called grand prix formule 1 de monaco .....no mention of monte carlo

monte-carlu [ the official title ] is just an administrative area within the principality ...at a guess people saying they were going to monte carlo started when they built the casino and it became fashionable ...a sunny place for shady people as somerset maugham once said

[TheRMVR]

where do you get that idea ? the whole of the port /swimming pool/pits/shopping area etc is in la condamine , which originally was the agricultural area below the town ..so the race is called grand prix formule 1 de monaco .....no mention of monte carlo

monte-carlu [ the official title ] is just an administrative area within the principality ...at a guess people saying they were going to monte carlo started when they built the casino and it became fashionable ...a sunny place for shady people as somerset maugham once said

Nice wikipedia quote.

If you really start quoting from wikipedia then fine:

"It is commonly referred to as "Monte Carlo" because it is largely inside the Monte Carlo neighbourhood of Monaco."

Look at some of the event posters of the 50s 60s and 70s they all had the Monte Carlo title. So it's known as the Monaco Grand Prix in the streets of Monte Carlo.

If we're really gonna be specific than the following corners are in Monte Carlo according to their area codes:

- Beau Rivage
- Massenet
- Casino
- Mirabeau
- Loews
- Portier
- Tunnel
- Nouvelle Chicane
- Tabac

Only

- Piscine,
- La Rascasse,
- Anthony Noghes
- Sainte Devote

are in La Condamine.

So I think it is fair to say that the majority of the track is in Monte Carlo and that also justifies the saying, 'the Monaco Grand Prix in the streets of Monte Carlo'.

[alberto222mx]

Yes, if this continues I will lock this one as well.

I'm sorry and I promise that this is my last off-topic message, well IMO this kind of discussion isn´t totally off-topic, everytime that Alonso and MS found each other on the track the comparisons and controversy will appear and that´s inevitable

are you talking about McLaren, the team that first turned its back to him and IMO should have been excluded from 2007 and 2008 champs? Are you actually blaming Alonso for what McLaten did?

I wouldn´t say that McLaren turned it´s back to him, McLaren just didn´t want to do what Alonso couldn´t do on the track: Puting Hamilton as the second.
I'm not blaming him of course, but he almost won the WDC with the same car that cost to McLaren losing all his points, is that fair?.

I guess you are implying Alonso plays games behind the scenes, but again there is not proof or what so ever. He won everything he did on track, while MS was involved in some of the most controversial events in F1. The ban of the mass-dumpe comes to mind and it is quite clear who benefited of this. IMHO, after 1997 MS should have received 2 yeaR ban from the motor sport. He blatantly tried to take out his competitor to win the WCD. For me such an act is of the same magnitude as getting caught doping in athletics, and for this you get 2 year ban......

Make up an strategy based on your teammate crashing is worst, isn´t it?

I agree that there is no proof, and it´s exactly what I meant, he always get away clean, maybe he is a very lucky man or maybe he is smart enough to make wrong things avoiding always the responsability.

[vall]

Make up an strategy based on your teammate crashing is worst, isn´t it?

I agree that there is no proof, and it´s exactly what I meant, he always get away clean, maybe he is a very lucky man or maybe he is smart enough to make wrong things avoiding always the responsability.

my last off-topic as well, Mod Perhaps, indeed as has been mentioned many times, we need special treads for the drivers.....

you assume that he is involved in all these wrong-goings and manages somehow to get away clean. What about the possibility that he has truly nothing to do with it!!!!! Many others have been caught and proven doing wrong (do not want to repeat then), yet, you come up with a pure speculations and target the innocent guy

[forty-two]

My question is on topic (I hope!) and hopefully not a rehash of something already posted....

Does anyone have any images of Button's car at the start of the race with the "Cooling bung" still in situ? I checked the video and I couldn't see anything untoward.

I hope some of you guys with keener eyesight might be able to help me out.

[ISLAMATRON]

You will never see what you are looking for because the cooling bung was not on the car at the start of the race, it was left on the car from the pits to when he got to his grid spot and then taken off.

[mx_tifoso]

Just don't give it to Hill again. He forgot to investigate Rubens tantrum in his haste to punish Schumacher. I wasn't impressed.

That is just so childish it's unfunny. To suggest that one man held sway in the stewards' room in order to avenge something that seems to worry everyone except him is silly.

I'm unimpressed.

[gilgen]

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/tur10_steward_herbert.pdf

Johnny Herbert will be driver steward again for the second time after serving already at Sepang. Fine with me. Just don't give it to Hill again. He forgot to investigate Rubens tantrum in his haste to punish Schumacher. I wasn't impressed.

That is a rather uncalled for remark. Hill does not make the decisions as to who is being investigated, and to accuse him of an anti-Schumi bias, is rather insulting.

[WhiteBlue]

Just don't give it to Hill again. He forgot to investigate Rubens tantrum in his haste to punish Schumacher. I wasn't impressed.

That is just so childish it's unfunny. To suggest that one man held sway in the stewards' room in order to avenge something that seems to worry everyone except him is silly.

It is more childish to defend the the sanctimonious sod who did a bad job. He screwed up! So you should be prepared to see him blamed.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/tur10_steward_herbert.pdf

Johnny Herbert will be driver steward again for the second time after serving already at Sepang. Fine with me. Just don't give it to Hill again. He forgot to investigate Rubens tantrum in his haste to punish Schumacher. I wasn't impressed.

That is a rather uncalled for remark. Hill does not make the decisions as to who is being investigated, and to accuse him of an anti-Schumi bias, is rather insulting.

He sure makes the decisions which reports of race control gets acted on like any other steward. So he also should take the blame.

Barichello was reported to the stewards for throwing his steering wheel in a tantrum and they could not get their heads out of their asses because they were busy punishing a guy who only did what his team had told him.

Actually, we had Barrichello on the list,” the Swiss admitted. He explained that the issue simply fell off the agenda in the “hectic rush” to sort out the controversial Schumacher maneuver.

When Merc announced Schumacher's come back Hill felt compelled to advise Jean Todt how important it would be to be even handed in punishing Schumacher to avoid any ideas of bias. He surly did not take much time to show his unbiased stance when it counted.

There's going to be a lot of interested viewers watching the sport for that one, because the suspicion was always that Michael got a little bit of favouritism from the FIA," said Hill. "I think the FIA are going to have to be on their toes to make sure that there is no suspicion of that in the coming season."

Hill himself said after the experience of full stewarding that he was not prepared for it and did not feel up to it.

I imagined I would be there as a consultant providing driver insight to the stewards, who would then make the decisions, ” said Hill. “My expertise is as a driver rather than a lawmaker or interpreter of regulations.
“It was a fascinating experience but I wonder whether it is right that drivers are put in the position of interpreting the regulations.”

He should not be nominated again due to his inaptitude, IMO.